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    Space Wars: The First Six Hours of World War III
by   William B. Scott

Space Wars by Willliam Scott, Michael Coumatos, and William Birnes, Forge Books (April 17, 2007) describes how the first hours of World War III might play out in the year 2010. While fiction, it's based on real-world military scenarios and technologies, dramatically highlighting the West's vulnerability to destruction of its space-based commercial and military communications infrastructure.


In 2010, advanced space weapons fall into the hands of radical Islamic terrorists, who launch them against the West's reconnaissance, weather, and communications satellites. Meanwhile, inside U.S. Strategic Command, top military commanders, space-company executives, and U.S. intelligence experts are conducting a "DEADSATS II" wargame, exploring how the loss of critical satellites could lead to nuclear war. The players don't know that the war they are gaming has already begun in space and that the Pentagon is about to find out that data from the GPS satellite system is no longer reliable, making accurate military operations impossible worldwide....

What makes Space Wars especially credible—and a fascinating and informative read—is the outstanding technical and military expertise of two of the authors. Michael Coumatos is a former U.S. Navy test pilot, ship's captain and commodore, US Space Command director of war gaming, and government counterterrorism advisor.

William Scott recently retired as Rocky Mountain bureau chief for Aviation Week and Space Technology magazine, a Flight Test Engineer graduate of the U.S. Air Force Test Pilot School, and an electronics engineering officer at the National Security Agency.

We asked him for a reality check.

- Amara D. Angelica, Editor, KurzweilAI.net

How close are the scenarios and wargaming descriptions in Space Wars to the real world?

In my opinion, the Space Wars scenarios are very realistic, based on my years of reporting on military space issues. The vulnerability of U.S. satellites—commercial, civil and military—has concerned milspace professionals and leaders for many years. As one Cincspace told me almost 10 years ago (paraphrased), "I have nightmares about getting that call from the president, saying: 'What's killing our satellites, who or what's responsible and what are you doing about it?' I sure don't want my answer to be: 'I don't know, I don't know and I don't know.'" In other words, that four-star Cincspace (we no longer have a "Commander-in-chief" of space, so that term's out of date) and his U.S. "space warriors" are in dire need of national policies, doctrines, realistic strategies and tactics, and more tools to deal with myriad threats to our space infrastructure.

Still, progress IS being made. Sensors that will help engineers and space operators quickly determine whether an anomaly is caused by cosmic rays or somebody lasing or jamming a satellite ARE being built into new national security spacecraft. However, those sensors are still not being installed routinely on commercial satellites—even though the Defense Dept. relies heavily on commercial comsats and imaging sats.

The wargaming scenarios—as well as some of the "real-world" scenarios—in Space Wars are amalgamations of outcomes and insights gained from actual wargames, such as those listed on pg. 7 of the book's forward.

Finally, weapons and systems depicted in SW are real or based on real-world technologies, although some remain classified. For instance, as an AvWeek reporter, I confirmed years ago that classified tests done at China Lake NAS, Calif., proved that a maser could be accurately controlled and targeted by first firing a laser, then firing the maser a split second later. The latter's microwave beam would follow the laser-formed "waveguide" through the air, enabling the beam to be aimed accurately and controlled.

Has such a weapon been developed and deployed? I don't know. Would it also work in space, or would the maser beam start wandering like wet spaghetti, once it left the atmosphere? I don't know that, either. Some scientists believe the beam would remain coherent and stable in space, but I was never able to confirm that tests had demonstrated that ability. Inside the atmosphere, though, actual testing DID confirm that the laser-maser combination enabled accurately targeting objects with high-energy microwave beams.

Ref. the Blackstar system: I now have several photos of the XOV spaceplane sitting on a Lockheed Martin flightline ramp, so the vehicle definitely exists. Based on 15+ years of sighting reports, inside sources, etc., I determined that Blackstar's SR-3 carrier aircraft and several versions of the XOV were built and flown. An AvWeek cover story describing the system ran in the March 6, 2006, issue.


Blackstar spaceplane? (Aviation Week)

Despite considerable feedback that spanned the spectrum from attaboy support to flaming criticism, the stories DID prompt airtight confirmation to come back to me from impeccable sources. Bottom line: some may dispute it, but the Blackstar system exists and has flown. Whether it can achieve orbit and was/is used exactly as we've depicted via "Speed's" flights in Space Wars is strictly an educated guess, based on my AvWeek reporting.

What are your thoughts on the recent Chinese destruction of their satellite, and the possibility that it was an ASAT test?

It was definitely considered to be an ASAT test, according to several general officers who spoke at last week's Space Symposium here in Colo. Springs. I think such an ASAT threat has existed for some time, and our milspace professionals knew it was just a matter of time until some entity demonstrated it. The Russians already HAD demo'd the capability decades ago, and Doug Pearson really DID shoot down a satellite in 1985, firing a missile from his F-15. As the USAF commander of Space Command said last week, the Chinese ASAT test was a major wakeup call for all spacefaring nations, proving once and for all that "space is no longer a sanctuary."

How does Russia's planned Glonass system relate to the European nav sat system described in the book?

Both are considered alternatives to the U.S. GPS network. Ultimately, Russia, Europe and the U.S. envision some commercial receivers will be able to use any of these signals for precise navigation and timing. Glonass and Galileo are being developed to (ostensibly) ensure satellite-based nav and timing will always be available, because the U.S. system could be turned off at will. The U.S. military controls GPS, and the Pentagon could disable certain or all GPS signals during a national emergency — writ "war."

Yet, GPS signals are becoming virtual global utilities, depended upon by millions of users. The Euros, Russians, Japan and others see billions of dollars to be made by selling receivers and GPS-embedded products, as well, and want to get in on that commercial action. Bottom line, though, is this: they're alternatives to GPS, sold to financiers as "guaranteed service" options, should the U.S. turn off GPS.

Are there any other recent technical, military, political, and other developments that tie in with the book or that were predicted in the book?

The Iranian political situation today is playing out largely as we anticipated. Technologies for "operationally responsive space" — smallsats and quick-response launchers — are evolving quickly. Autnomous on-orbit servicing of satellites is being demonstrated now by the Orbital Express spacecraft, a feature that plays more dramatically in our sequel, Space Wars II (now being written by the same coauthors). The Chinese ASAT test has awakened Congress and American citizens to the potential threats facing our space infrastructure, but I don't think our political leaders fully appreciate what impacts those threats could have on the U.S. national security posture and citizens' activities.

What kind of comments are you getting from savvy early readers so far?

Initial feedback we're getting is that Space Wars' message is "bang-on," prophetic, scary and very timely. Many readers either had no idea the U.S.—and modern civilization, in general—was so dependent on "space," or that losing satellites might have such dramatic impacts in the geopolitical realm, as well on people's daily lives. Perhaps the most succinct feedback I've heard was: "This is a very possible, very scary future. I hope it doesn't come true." Although many of our readers, who have a military background, are aware of the threats we depict, they hadn't put the IMPACTS of attacks on satellites and the ISS into context the way Space Wars does—or so they're telling us.

Last Thursday, during the annual Space Symposium (attended by approx. 7,000 space professionals from across the globe), many senior military, commercial and civil leaders bought copies of Space Wars and had Mike and me sign their books. Interestingly, the first two copies were purchased by a two-star USAF general, who is the chancellor of the National Security Space Institute, and her aide. She also wants to talk to us about some "hot-button" issues we should consider for our second Space Wars book.

   
 

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Space wars
posted on 04/22/2007 9:39 PM by testin

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Space wars with their interplanetary battles are as near to reality as the most stupid fairy tales. Any scenarios of space war cannot go outside the laws of nature. This does not follow, that we do know the laws.

From thousands of fictions where was mentioned the future are some coincidences. Most of them are such as in “The First 48 Hour of the War with the Fascist Germany” (see OKTYABR’ for 1939). How it was in reality is well known. It seems, that the epics of ‘Space Wars’ are more distant from reality. To say nothing about political senselessness there is broke of nature’s laws.

The catastrophic destructiveness of the coming war with its tremendous losses is possible to escape. The USA should not force democracy to societies with a jungle level of understanding of what democracy is. The USA should not defend their ill-wishers, e.g. in Europe. Tremendous money spent for this (many hundreds of billions), and money which would came after balancing the trade, would allow in some short time to become not an importer, but an exporter of fuel. It would allow the creation of a near absolute defense from missiles and other means that are dangerous for the USA.

E.g. in Iran or Korea must be destroyed everything that is dangerous for the USA. Iranian missiles with A-bombs, which can reach Moscow or Paris, should be indifferent to the USA. If something there is dangerous to the USA, it must be completely destroyed. It should be announced as official politics. Then Europe instead of flirting with terrorists would implore the USA to include them into its defense system. In addition, they would give all the necessary money.

Russia does not learn. When the great Reagan told Gorbachev “You would not win this arm race”, he had in mind do not compete with SDI if you do not want to lose your country. He knew what he said. Now Russia once more started a competition in arm race. This is done in the presence of a mighty China. The result is definite.

The USA can allow some reasonable egoism. The USA is the only really self-sufficient country. Its temporary and partial isolation would not greatly influence its life. However, the rest of the world could not bear it.

Re: Space wars
posted on 04/22/2007 11:06 PM by Questor

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Truth is, if the U.S. military satellite system was somehow knocked off, there are forces in this blighted world, this mortal coil, just salivating for a chance to rush in and claim world hegemony in the blink of an eye. Aye.

Re: Space wars
posted on 04/24/2007 6:31 AM by surveiller

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Maybe you have not noticed, yet, USA military actions are amongst the most dangerous projects on Earth.

I wonder how far we could go with this "we're the best, let's kill 'em all" attitude. Else the globe is too small for USA to fit on it.

Re: Space wars
posted on 05/19/2007 7:25 PM by HEMANT

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I HAVE A FEAR THAT "COMMON WEALTH MOVEMENT ALIAS COMMUNISM WITH SLAVERY" MOVEMENT INTERNATIONALLY,AND FEW CURSES TO MANKIND LIKE NEUROTIC DRUG,E.D.T.A.DRUG,MASK TECHNOLOGY,ILLEGAL USE OF ANESTHESIA, ILLEGAL INSTALLTION OF MICROCHIPS LINKED WITH INTERNET ON BUSINESSES AND GOVERNMENT OFFICES,ILLEGAL INSTALLTION OF VIDEO CAMERAS, MICROPHONES AT HOUSES, BUSINESSES,CARS OF THE BUSINESS OWNERS,
" VAGUE STOOP THEORIES" , KILLER LOBBIES WORKING INTERNATIONALLY ON DIFFERENT COUNTRIES,ALL BRANCHES OF NEURO-SCIENCE WINGS IS DRAGGING THE WORLD TOWARDS WORLD WAR III, AND IT COULD BE WELL BEFORE 2010.

INFACT THE COLD WAR IS ALREADY STARTED AMONG FEW COUNTRIES OF EUROPE,AND RUSSIA HAS BEEN FORCIBLY INVOLVED AFTER BREAK (?) IN 1992.

SOME PEOPLE ARE DRAGGING USA TOWARDS "COMMUNISM WITH SLAVERY" ON THE NAME OF "COMMON WEALTH".

THE WAR IS MORE STRATEGIC ON BRAIN TO BRAIN RATHER THAN ACTUAL WEAPONIC WAR BECAUSE OF NEUROTIC DRUG.

THE PEOPLE WITH POWERFUL BRAIN USING JET SPPED STRATEGY WILL BE WINNER.

HEMANT PARIKH

5000 lbs of ball berings and LEO don't mix
posted on 04/23/2007 3:47 PM by KeithV

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Does anyone really have an idea what would happen if someone launched and exploded say 5000 lbs of ball bearings with about a pound of C4 into LEO? Or if not 5000 lbs then how many lbs? Anyone know? It could render LEO a wasteland for hundreds of years.

Given that several private companies are almost at that threshold, how hard could it be for a rogue state or sub-state to get there?
Sure LEO would be denied for everybody, but if you would rather live in the dark ages, what do you need with LEO anyway?
Every time I think of such things, I just get depressed....

Keith

Re: 5000 lbs of ball berings and LEO don't mix
posted on 05/25/2007 11:40 AM by Redakteur

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What is "LEO?"

Re: 5000 lbs of ball berings and LEO don't mix
posted on 05/27/2007 8:52 PM by Moekandu

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LEO stands for Low Earth Orbit.

Putting 2.5 tons of ball bearings in a retro-grade orbit would be effective, but it would kill everything in that orbit, not just specific targets. It would have the effect of levelling the playing field, rather than giving advantage to one group or the other.

The US military has been focused on creating systems that attack specific targets. Reducing collateral damage. Hence the need for advanced weapons, rather than brute force methods.

Re: 5000 lbs of ball berings and LEO don't mix
posted on 10/20/2007 11:17 AM by Rakurai

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I'm not an expert, but I think that the odds of that being disastrous are pretty low. This is all purely guesswork, but:

I don't think a significant percentage of the bearings would find themselves in a semi-stable orbit that would last more than a few hours, being projected in all directions by the explosive blast. Most of them would be drawn earthward and burn up in the atmostphere fairly quickly.

Even given a very high (in my opinion) amount of 5% staying in LEO, the odds of impacting something are still very small. If we assume BB size bearings, which I think are easily enough to disable most satellites, you have about 1400 bearings per pound, 7 million total, with 350000 staying in orbit.

LEO is an altitude of 200 to 2000 kilometers, with a volume of 1.3 tillion cubic kilometers, or 1.3 x 10^21 cubic meters, with a bearing density of 1 in 3.7 x 10^15 cubic meters. Guessing that the average satellite has a volume of 1 cubic meter, and with an orbit circumference of 41 million meters, this gives it a 1 in 90 million chance of hitting a bearing per orbit. With an average LEO speed being 7800 meters/second, 90 million orbits means the average satellite would last for 15000 years up there. With about 2500 satellites (as of 2006), the bearings would take out one satellite every 6 years.

I admit that's a simplistic view and based on a lot of educated guesses, but I don't think it would be a big deal.

Re: Space Wars: The First Six Hours of World War III
posted on 05/19/2007 8:02 PM by czarstar

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With all the physical war, war is a mental problem. Important people doing important things to give their life meaning. The bigger the problem they create to bigger the opposing power needed to reverse the problem. The problem is that there is a huge disconnect between the head and body with countries. The head (government) and the body (the population) are disconnected like paraplegics. The head still pumps the heart but does not allow movement of the body. The head is addicted to nuclear weapons and the body is slowly dieing from the build up and the ultimate mass mutation into nuclear war. Addiction is powerful and cunning, disguising itself as a friend but deep down you know the head knows it will kill the body in turn killing the head.

Re: Space Wars: The First Six Hours of World War III
posted on 05/28/2007 9:48 AM by mangamail

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the USA should go full cold war era. Destroy all who stand in the way. Expansionism! Make freinds Destroy Enemys. Either you join the American Empire or we nuke you into oblivion. on a side note 'War for Fun and Profit' is a really nice read. Bush get a clue or be Impeached. do not go in to a country, destroy it, then rebuild it. you need to have more tact than that. just take it over. If a country has nukes nuke them first. Nature will recover. As soon as we are stable on the moon lets nuke the entire planet and start over from scratch. or not. Was in a bad mood this mourning. More to come.

Re: Space Wars: The First Six Hours of World War III
posted on 10/20/2007 12:01 PM by czarstar

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the USA should go full cold war era. Destroy all who stand in the way. Expansionism! Make freinds Destroy Enemys. Either you join the American Empire or we nuke you into oblivion. on a side note 'War for Fun and Profit' is a really nice read. Bush get a clue or be Impeached. do not go in to a country, destroy it, then rebuild it. you need to have more tact than that. just take it over. If a country has nukes nuke them first. Nature will recover. As soon as we are stable on the moon lets nuke the entire planet and start over from scratch. or not. Was in a bad mood this mourning. More to come.


What if Putin or Bush had a bad morning in the right situation? No one or group should had that much power.

Re: Space Wars: The First Six Hours of World War III
posted on 10/20/2007 12:54 PM by someday69

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Raku sure had a fine post,and yet for some obsquer reason I still think the bearing would take out mush more,,,but thats because my opinion,
is based on intuition,,but I will relent,to his eloquent math...
And as always I am left holding on to whatever hope I can find,that things will hold togeather,till something much more inteligent will come along to help us survive..someday..

Re: Space Wars: The First Six Hours of World War III
posted on 03/06/2009 1:23 PM by THE SINGULARITY

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the USA should go full cold war era. Destroy all who stand in the way. Expansionism! Make freinds Destroy Enemys. Either you join the American Empire or we nuke you into oblivion. on a side note 'War for Fun and Profit' is a really nice read. Bush get a clue or be Impeached. do not go in to a country, destroy it, then rebuild it. you need to have more tact than that. just take it over. If a country has nukes nuke them first. Nature will recover. As soon as we are stable on the moon lets nuke the entire planet and start over from scratch. or not. Was in a bad mood this mourning. More to come.


Dear Sir,
Now, I understand that perhaps some people will watch whatever god-awful thing is in front of them on a TV screen. And some people might appreciate the diversion of a cheesy movie during a night spent watching television. But some people might want to actually think for themselfs. Perhaps listen to their own reasoning. Or just...be quiet.

The thought logic you use are old and out-dated. The facts for your argument are barely visible from some of the seat of proper sanity. I suggest you get rid of them entirely. And unless you can replace them with better arguments and arrange for each point to have a valuable educational point, I, for one, would sincerely appreciate a quiet, relaxing, less ingorant ladden time spent reading on this website.

Sincerly

Re: Space Wars: The First Six Hours of World War III
posted on 03/06/2009 1:30 PM by THE SINGULARITY

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***I noticed that I needed to make corrections to my original post.***

Dear Sir,
Now, I understand that perhaps some people will watch whatever god-awful thing is in front of them on a TV screen. And some people might appreciate the diversion of a cheesy movie during a night of entertainment. But some people might want to actually think for themselfs. Perhaps listen to their own reasoning. Or just...be quiet.

The thought processes you use is old and out-dated. The facts for your argument are barely visible to an observer sitted in the seat of proper sanity. I suggest you get rid of them entirely. And unless you can replace them with better arguments and arrange for each point to have a educational value, I, for one, would sincerely appreciate a quiet, relaxing, less ingorant ladden time spent reading on this website.

Sincerly

Re: Space Wars: The First Six Hours of World War III
posted on 02/05/2008 7:03 PM by 3lliot

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1. "If something there is dangerous to the USA, it must be completely destroyed. It should be announced as official politics."

????!!!!?

With this sort of mindless, nationalist, ignorant, aggressive, childish mentality, America will surely fall, in smoking ruins. A one-part system is inherently screwed. There must be balance and competition for our species to survive. Any attempt by the USA to politically dominate the world will result in the collapse of the system. Dictatorships never work. There will always be revolution, corruption and eventual dissolution. It's the law of nature; undeniable and irresistable.

Your mentality is neanderthal and stupid. The only chance for human progression and development is global democracy. Inflicting 'US democracy' on anyone that waves a gyroscope around will have one effect - enhanced global hatred. Bear in mind North Americans are already the least popular race on earth at the moment. watch out for the Chinese. They're taking over. And they don't tolerate fools.

2. "The USA is the only really self-sufficient country."

???

Crap. You're the biggest consumers on the planet. See how you go cutting yourselves off. You'll be screwed in weeks.

By the way, where are you from? Your use of English tells me that you must be a migrant.


3. "the USA should go full cold war era. Destroy all who stand in the way."

"Either you join the American Empire or we nuke you into oblivion."

Is there supposed to be some sarcasm in that?

If not, see above.

By the way, I'm not a Muslim, a radical, a middle-eastern, a lefty, or a godless communist. I'm English, Caucasian, livng in Australia, loving everything that the western world provides, and completely amazed by the crap that comes out of the minds of some Americans (seaboards excepted).

Sounds like a good book though...

Re: Space Wars: The First Six Hours of World War III
posted on 02/05/2008 7:19 PM by sensoniq

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I think crude weapons like a few LEO ball bearing bombs might actually serve to trigger WWIII. Another scary scenario would be a rogue Islamic state or sub-state detonating single nuclear weapon in a western country, then merely threatening that it has hidden more throughout the world. It could then demand nobody attack it, that everyone follow its demands -- convert or else...

Re: Space Wars: The First Six Hours of World War III
posted on 03/10/2008 10:06 PM by horizon

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Wow... fear mongering really scares me more than terrorists. Look China shot down a satellite, then we shot one down better. It's more cold war look at what I can do. Terrorists, no I'm not scared. They can't even blow up a plane anymore.

Re: Space Wars: The First Six Hours of World War III
posted on 03/10/2008 11:34 PM by czarstar

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Capitalism is going to be the reason for nuclear war. Let me qualify.

The whole idea of Capitalism to keep growing. For anything to continuously grow it needs to be fed. What feeds capitalism? The answer is oil. When I was a kid the new houses were smaller and large house were very few. Now all the new houses are large and are in temperate climates with cold winters and hot summers which all have heat and air conditioning. The people in these houses tend to buy gas guzzling autos also. This life style (which my country) is trying to spread around the world is going to be all consuming beast that's hunger will eat its creator because the food (oil) will be spread to thin ultimately leading to a nuclear holocaust to procure oil resources.

The only solution I can see is a worldwide mandatory cap of the amount of natural resource any one person or group can use in any given time period.

BBC Doc Debunks Al-Qaeda
posted on 03/10/2008 11:53 PM by James_Jaeger

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Top Ranking CIA Operatives Admit Al-qaeda Is a Complete Fabrication


BBC's killer documentary called 'The Power of Nightmares'. Top CIA officials openly admit, Al-qaeda is a total and complete fabrication, never having existed at any time. The Bush administration needed a reason that complied with the Laws so they could go after 'the bad guy of their choice' namely laws that had been set in place to protect us from mobs and 'criminal organizations' such as the Mafia. They paid Jamal al Fadl, hundreds of thousands of dollars to back the U.S. Government's story of Al-qaeda, a 'group' or criminal organization they could 'legally' go after. This video documentary is off the hook'


http://polidics.com/cia/top-ranking-cia-operatives -admit-al-qaeda-is-a-complete-fabrication.html

Re: BBC Doc Debunks Al-Qaeda
posted on 03/11/2008 12:03 AM by subtillioN

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Here's an accompanying piece of research.

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid= 7718

Re: Space Wars: The First Six Hours of World War III
posted on 06/25/2009 7:23 PM by Anaxagoras

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I find the entire premise of this article highly dubious. As far as I can tell, since all the renowned terrorist groups are or have been funded and organized by various western institutions such as the CIA, MI6 and various private actors, if any terrorists "start world war III" it will only be because traitors in the west gave them the weapons, taught them how to use them and where to aim.

A much more likely scenario is that a terrorist attack carried out in such a manner will then immediately be jumped on by transhumanists, geopolitic madmen and corporate Strangeloves of the worst order to launh a highly profitable war.

It is also highly likely that such a war would cause the same people to dismantle any semblance of freedom, liberty and justice back home in the process.

If you do not believe me then there is ample literature on this and related subjects, much of it written by globalist eugenecists themselves.

Whatever your academic merit and brilliance supporting this web of deceit and using your research to back it is the complete opposite of science, and makes you more related to the Inquisition than the people who inspired you to search for answers in the first place.

Shame on you!

Re: Space Wars: The First Six Hours of World War III
posted on 06/25/2009 7:40 PM by Anaxagoras

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More to the point I find the idea that the US should somehow have a need for "space infrastructure" highly offensive. I come from Europe so maybe I haven`t been properly trained to accept this sort of thing, but every american must see how threatening this is to anyone not yet enslaved, brainwashed or dead everywhere in the world.

You wear a rhetoric saying you are the Guardians of Freedom but this claim is not borne out of anything your country has done since WWII and perhaps beyond, considering how little truth actually gets piblished about anything important in our society.

The truth is most people want peace, it is in fact traditionally only very very rich people who like wars, since they`ll always be safe anyway. Most people also want to live in their countries without having them plundered, outsourced to regions which practise slave-labor or otherwise dismantled in the name of globalism.

Space based weaponry is a highly opressive phenomenon to the entire world, and the mere notion that such a structure could somehow be hijacked from an Afghan cave with a laptop and bring the US at risk is ridiculous. The best thing to do is to disassemble this and other forms of high tech weaponry and leave other people in peace, so that`s what I`ll recommend to Kurzweil and anyone else in positions of power.

The alternative is fascism, opression, surveillance, police state, wars and genocide.

Science doesn`t have to be about any of these things, but it is because some people have decided it should be. Scientists cooperating in such a drive are traitors to their fellow men, plain and simple.

Re: Space Wars: The First Six Hours of World War III
posted on 10/22/2009 2:45 AM by SoftWare

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Abs right. Stupid games for stupid men. We have more important things to worry about. THE ENVIRONMENT for one. Illusion of power leads to the illusion of the manhood. Let's just say hurricane girl Katherine 1000 times. Where are your weapons, big boys?