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    Ray Kurzweil's Plan for Cheating Death
by   Terry Grossman

A cure for aging may be found in the next fifty years. The trick now is to live long enough to be there when it happens. In his two new books, Ray Kurzweil has painted a clear picture of the future and provided a blueprint for how to get there.


Originally published in The Futurist March-April 2006. Reprinted on KurzweilAI.net February 3, 2006.

This article is a response to Ray Kurzweil's feature in The Futurist, Reinventing Humanity. You can also read other responses to Kurzweil's article by John Smart, J. Storrs Hall, Damien Broderick, and Richard Eckersley. Ray Kurzweil's response to Eckersley's comments can be found here.

Click here to read a PDF of the full feature.

I first met Ray Kurzweil in 1999 at a Foresight Institute meting in Palo Alto. I was there to get some background information on nanotechnology for a new book I was writing. As I stood in the lunch line, a healthy appearing man in front of me was engaged in animated conversation with a not nearly so healthy looking second man. Their topic of conversation was vitamins and nutritional supplementation, a topic of great interest to me, a nutritionally oriented M.D.

I joined the conversation, and the healthy looking man introduced himself as Ray Kurzweil. Ray and I continued our dialog via email after the conference ended, and a few months later, he flew from his home in Boston to Frontier Medical Institute, my longevity clinic in Denver, for a comprehensive longevity medical evaluation. In Denver we performed a comprehensive battery of tests designed to uncover any health risks he might still have so that together we could better optimize Ray’s already very sophisticated program for health and longevity.

From the beginning, it was obvious that Ray would be a unique patient. I have many engineer patients in my practice (and Ray is an engineer by training), so I am not surprised when a patient comes to see me with a notebook of spreadsheets detailing various data extracted from their daily lives: blood pressure, weight, cholesterol, blood sugar levels, amount of exercise, etc. carefully tabulated for several years. But all previous data collections I had seen, even those organized into Excel and meticulously graphed, paled in comparison to Ray’s. His data collection was so thorough and meticulous that he could tell me what he ate for lunch on June 23, 1989 (as well as for every other day for several years before that date or since). And not only what he ate, but the number of grams of each serving and calories consumed, as well as the number of calories he burned that day through exercise – every day for decades!

As a result, it came as less of a surprise for me to learn that Ray was taking over 200 supplement pills a day. Ray’s approach had been to accurately assess his personal health risks and then quite simply to “reprogram his biochemistry.” Ongoing testing indicates that he is doing a remarkable job, as measurement of his biological age in my clinic indicates that he is now almost two decades younger than his chronological age, and all of his health risks appear under optimal control.

Ray was already working on his new book, “The Singularity is Near,” at that time, and I had just completed my first book, “The Baby Boomers’ Guide to Living Forever.” It was natural that our email dialog moved into discussion of the prospects for truly radical life extension for people of all ages, including older boomers like ourselves. As our emails multiplied into the many thousands, we decided to organize the information and see if we had the makings of a new book that we would coauthor. I created a preliminary table of contents, Ray organized the information from our emails and another 10,000 emails or so later, our joint book, “Fantastic Voyage: Live Long Enough to Live Forever” was written in the midst of Ray’s writing of “The Singularity Is Near.”

Ray felt that he was writing these books together as a unit and that there was synergy between them. “The Singularity Is Near” details Ray’s vision of the astounding possibilities of the world of the near future as the singularity unfolds sometime within the next few decades. In “Fantastic Voyage” we provide readers with the information they need to live long enough and remain healthy enough to fully experience the wonders of life in the post singularity world. In writing these two books has Ray painted a clear picture of the future and provided a blueprint for how to get there.

© 2006 Terry Grossman. Reprinted with permission.

 

   
 

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Annoyance
posted on 02/06/2006 10:59 AM by dagonweb

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I wonder how the heck are we gonna warn politicians. Imagine me writing a letter to my representative in the dutch parliament urging them to consider the idea of radical life extension.

Those dumb-ass politicians are hard pressed to stop shaking from fear if quizzed about people on average living 5 years longer, let alone several decades. The pensions!

I suppose bringing up an actual singularity type development under attention of the politicians would be even a sillier proposal. How would they go and anticipate on a nanoid revolution? Or A.I. ?

We are fast approching the days when our familiar brand of politics will be swept away in a tide of disaster management. If we aren't already.

Re: Annoyance
posted on 02/06/2006 11:06 AM by mekanikalmekka

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Exactly. That is why certain paradigms must change if we are to retain any sembalnce of human perspective on this sudden leap.

Re: Annoyance
posted on 07/03/2006 12:01 PM by JohnWallace

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It's a bit more complex than that. The issue isn't so much "How can we provide pensions for all the 'old' people?!" as "What happens when no one is old?"

The current thinking presupposes that people become less capable as they age. Under this new model, their expressed age would actually regress, and they would become more capable.

Well, what about their pensions? Doesn't society owe them retirement as repayment for their investment?

Again, that is taking too narrow of a view.

Let's say we had three things in the future:
1. Eternal youth
2. Artificially intelligent machines (100 IQ or better)
3. Unlimited energy sources

In such a society, we would have machines capable of doing all labor. We would have the energy resources to get the raw materials and labor to process those materials. And we would have the benefit of youth to enjoy the results.

How would this world be governed? Meritocracy? Democracy? or perhaps even a new machine-enforced despotic form??

The world will become a different place. Just how different is hard to imagine.

Re: Annoyance
posted on 10/22/2006 11:12 AM by streigh

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Those with the power will have no need of those of us with out. Labor will have no value, and longevity will only be the province of the very rich. The rest of us will be out of luck and probably extinct. What is the world going to do with 6+ billion imortal people who are unemployed? On the up side this will probably be very good for the enviornment.

Re: Ray Kurzweil's Plan for Cheating Death
posted on 02/06/2006 11:32 AM by zukunft

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Don't Trust anyone over 500!!!

Re: Ray Kurzweil's Plan for Cheating Death
posted on 08/03/2006 9:48 AM by mieszko_the_first

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Hi all,
I fully support the plan, I have some doubts, though, as to the means. It seems that anti-oxidant reach supplements are not that efficient
in neutralizing free radicals in our bodies.
Here is an article in NS cooling down the
anti-oxidant hype:
http://www.newscientist.com/channel/health/mg19125 631.500

More, those supplements might be even harmful.
According to the article, you should take
vitamin E supplements, for example, only in case
of deficiency

So, who is right?
Cheers!

Re: Ray Kurzweil's Plan for Cheating Death
posted on 08/04/2006 9:56 AM by extrasense

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Ray was taking over 200 supplement pills a day


Which proves beyond any doubt, that he is a nutcake.
For the very least, he can not poissibly predict the interactions of 200 components.

ES

Re: Ray Kurzweil's Plan for Cheating Death
posted on 08/04/2006 12:27 PM by godchaser

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Actually es, i think it's up to around 250 now. That's a full time job.

Cheers

Re: Ray Kurzweil's Plan for Cheating Death
posted on 08/04/2006 1:38 PM by extrasense

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"" i think it's up to around 250 now. ""

And still alive.
This is singularily unbelievable!

E:)S



Re: Ray Kurzweil's Plan for Cheating Death
posted on 08/07/2006 5:33 PM by mieszko_the_first

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Alive? Perhaps, but didn't put the anti-oxidant
news on his site.

I'm pretty confident that many readers of
kurzweilai.net would be interested in this
stuff.

Oh, wait! Now I get it! "It cannot be true if it cost me money."

Cheers!

Re: Ray Kurzweil's Plan for Cheating Death
posted on 01/25/2007 5:20 PM by Schismatrice

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Which proves beyond any doubt, that he is a nutcake.
For the very least, he can not poissibly predict the interactions of 200 components.


And can you predict the interactions of hundred or thousands of components you eat each day ?

Re: Ray Kurzweil's Plan for Cheating Death
posted on 10/15/2006 3:59 AM by arekkusu

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I fully support the plan, I have some doubts, though, as to the means. It seems that anti-oxidant reach supplements are not that efficient
in neutralizing free radicals in our bodies.


I'd like to point out that melatonin is a really good anti-oxidant. Quoth wikipedia:

Although the primary site of melatonin's action is via the melatonin receptors, melatonin is a powerful antioxidant that can easily cross cell membranes and the blood-brain barrier. Unlike other antioxidants, melatonin does not undergo redox cycling, the ability of a molecule to undergo reduction and oxidation repeatedly. Redox cycling may allow other antioxidants (such as vitamin C) to act as pro-oxidants, counterintuitively promoting free radical formation. Melatonin, once oxidized, cannot be reduced to its former state because it forms several stable end-products upon reacting with free radicals. Therefore, it has been referred to as a terminal (or suicidal) antioxidant. In animal models, melatonin has been demonstrated to prevent the damage to DNA by some carcinogens, stopping the mechanism by which they cause cancer.

Re: Ray Kurzweil's Plan for Cheating Death
posted on 10/15/2006 6:43 AM by mieszko_the_first

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Good point. The nice thing about melatonin is that
you don't need to take suplements. It is enough
to sleep in a really dark bedroom :).

Cheers!

Re: Ray Kurzweil's Plan for Cheating Death
posted on 10/15/2006 11:49 AM by donjoe

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"Here is an article in NS cooling down the
anti-oxidant hype"

The only thing it's cooling is antioxidant _supplement_ hype, not _antioxidant_ hype. The problem is with partial substances - extracts - and not with eating the raw fruit, the full, natural, antioxidants.

http://www.thecancerblog.com/2006/08/05/antioxidan t-supplements-cancer-prevention-fairy-tale-or-fact /

Re: Ray Kurzweil's Plan for Cheating Death
posted on 10/15/2006 1:34 PM by mieszko_the_first

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You are correct. It is about the supplements.
The owner of this site preaches an aggressive supplementation (see Fantastic Voyage p. 312-336) to keep free radicals in check among other things.

I don't recall much of the hype on eating apples :).

Those who follow Ray's advice on the heavy supplement intake may be interested in change of winds in the subject.
No such info made it to the news section of this website, though.

Cheers!



Re: Ray Kurzweil's Plan for Cheating Death
posted on 10/15/2006 3:47 PM by donjoe

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Yes, I've noted that he recommends the intake of green tea extract and grape seed extract, among other things (only antioxidants concern us here; he may be perfectly right about agressive supplementation with vitamins, hormones etc.). However, I don't know that Lisa Melton's study shows specifically that _green_tea_ extracts and _grape_seed_ extracts are among the antioxidant supplements that cause damage. Also, I don't have Kurzweil's book, so I don't know that he (or Grossman) doesn't cite sufficient evidence against that hypothesis. If I really wanted to settle the issue, I'd dig deeper.

Re: Ray Kurzweil's Plan for Cheating Death
posted on 09/12/2006 4:11 PM by mindx back-on-track

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back-on-track

Re: Ray Kurzweil's Plan for Cheating Death
posted on 10/16/2006 1:41 PM by eldras

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The article quoted form Nerw Scientist is NOT a rigorous research of anti-oxidants.

The whole point is that we are working at the edge with mainly uncheckable data, but based on best guesses:

eg it would take mopre than 100 years to check if anti-opxidants are slwing aging testing on humans.
Why we think that supplements actually work, is becxause they work on lower animals, including nanot5ide worms, mice, rats and even cat5s.

All these life forms have the SAME metabolic pathways as man.


There is GREAT liklihood that increasing up weight for weight, the antioxidant and other formulars with have similar impacts.


But it is not tested.

While there may be some damage from some supplements, the trade-off for survival until immortality is an option when SAI is here, is regarded as worth it by many of us.

Ray Kurzweil may be regarded as a freak by people who haven't paradigm-shifted as new evidence and new theories are presented, but many of us are also supplementing on loads of pills.

Vegitarians of 20 years standing from age 20 are often easily idenitifiable as looking young for theior age.

The few people I know who have been regularly supplementing for 20 years also look younger, even younger than the vegies, and i know at leat one set of non-identical twins, one who has supplemented, the other who hasn't, and the former now looks like the son of his sibbling in age.


What you CANT do is take an instinctive shot at it: you need to do rersearch on it.

the main bidy of research is on animal studies. Trials do pan up tpo humans in many fields, that's why animal testing of new drugs is compulsory, although it is not infallible.


Animals fed antioxidants live longer healthier lives.


Anyone not doing anti-oxidants, vitamins and minerals is probably ill-informed.

Mike Price (British Transhumanists) published this in Longivity Report 91:


http://www.quantium.plus.com/lr/lr91.htm









Re: Ray Kurzweil's Plan for Cheating Death
posted on 01/27/2007 8:05 PM by Virgilic

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well, there's a slight problem with supplementing.

There are several studies showing an increase of lung cancer incidence in individuals supplementing vitA and who used to smoke. therefore if someone used to smoke, supplementing with vitA might be a serious health risk.

Also HGH terapies have mixed results, some of which show greater cancer risks.
All this info I get from the net.

It seems to me very very hard to decide what supplememts to take in what quantities. Plus they cost a lot. I have researched extensivley supplemeting on the net and it is very hard to discern between reliable and unreliable sources of information and supplements.
I have calculated that a supplementation program with a broad range of vitamins and minerals, polyphenols, carnosine, cysteine, lycopene, Q10, and some other stuff, all from LEF costs about 2,500$/year if you get 1-year membership. That's a lot of money, for me at least.

I trust calorie restriction however, and I take a normal broad range vitamin-mineral supplement to compensate low food intake. It's much cheaper :)

Re: Ray Kurzweil's Plan for Cheating Death
posted on 11/12/2006 2:59 PM by kevin22

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I recently heard of a girl in the news that received a prosthetic limb, her right arm that could move and perform basic function, initiated only by her on thoughts. The message from her brain set out on the path with to move the arm, and doesn't know that its voyage would be cutoff at the shoulder. So, censers at this joint pick up and decode the message and cause the mechanical movements.
Couldn't this idea repeat, repeat and repeat to the point where basically the brain is attached to a computer/robot. Then the brain is supplied mechanically the oxygen it needs. Thus a life form that is a human brain attached to a robot could live forever?

Re: Ray Kurzweil's Plan for Cheating Death
posted on 01/27/2007 8:14 PM by mememachine

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no. because the brain is organic and will age and decay as normal over time. you are supplying it with oxygen which neurons and other supporting neural cells need to run their metabolic cycles; oxygen is very reactive and metabolic processes produce free radicals which will, over time, damage organic structures - hence the life-extension offered by caloric restriction.

Re: Ray Kurzweil's Plan for Cheating Death
posted on 12/17/2006 6:36 PM by BillyK

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Those are all very good ideas. I was thinking and reading, that we only grow older because our dna has a few genes that tell the body/cell to stop dividing and the cell then dies. I thought perhaps we could genetically engineer that gene in the cell, so that the cell would not stop dividing and would not die. (we would have to work that out so it would not divide too much) We could then implement that cell into a harmless virus and then implant it into our body. Thus, our cells would never die.
( this idea is a little less acurate, i'm just brainstorming) Or we could actually genetically create a harmless cancer that consumes our entire body and the cells are the excact same as they were before, but now they don't stop dividing just like a bad cancer. But it would be harmless, and if we had too many cells we could somehow remove them with radiation or something. (i don't know that much im only 15) But those are my ideas and thoughts. I would appreciate it if someone would read this and post another message about mine soon.
Thanks Billy
BillySWS07@aol.com