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    What the Future Will Bring
by   Ray Kurzweil

"Follow your passion," Ray Kurzweil advised graduates in a commencement address on May 21 at Worcester Polytechnic Institute, one of the nation's earliest technological universities. "Creating knowledge is what will be most exciting in life. To create knowledge you have to have passion, so find a challenge that you can be passionate about and you can find the ideas to overcome that challenge." Kurzweil also described the three great coming revolutions-genetics, nanotechnology and robotics-and their implications for our lives ahead.


Transcript of the Commencement Address by Ray Kurzweil at Worcester Polytechnic Institute, May 21, 2005, Worcester, Massachusetts. Published on KurzweilAI.net, June 15, 2005.

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President Berkey, trustees, esteemed faculty, honored graduates, proud parents and guests, it’s a pleasure to be here. It’s a great honor to receive this distinction. Congratulations to all of you. I've long been an admirer of WPI and this is a terrific way to start your career. Actually judging by the practical experience you've had and the entrepreneurship which is blossoming on this campus you've already started your career.

A commencement is a good time to reflect on the future, on your future, and I've actually spent a few decades thinking about the future, trying to model technology trends. I suppose that’s one reason you asked me to share my ideas with you on what the future will hold, which will be rather different and empowering in terms of our ability to create knowledge, more so than many people realize.

I started thinking about the future and trying to anticipate it because of my interest in being an inventor myself. I realized that my inventions had to make sense when I finished a project, which would be three or four years later, and the world would be a different place. Everything would be different—the channels of distribution, the development tools. Most inventions, most technology projects fail not because the R&D department can't get it to work—if you read business plans, 90 percent of those groups will do exactly what they say if they're given the opportunity yet 90 percent of those projects will still fail because the timing is wrong. Not all the enabling factors will be in place when they're needed. So realizing that, I began to try to model technology trends attempting to anticipate where technology will be. This has taken on a life of its own. I have a team of 10 people that gathers data in many different fields and we try to build mathematical models of what the future will look like.

Now, people say you can't predict the future. And for some things that turns out to be true. If you ask me, “Will the stock price of Google be higher or lower three years from now?” that’s hard to predict. What will the next wireless common standard be? WiMAX, G-3, CDMA? That’s hard to predict. But if you ask me, “What will the cost of a MIPS of computing be in 2010?” or, “How much will it cost to sequence a base pair of DNA in 2012?” or, “What will the special and temporal resolution of non-invasive brain scanning be in 2014?,” I can give you a figure and it’s likely to be accurate because we've been making these predictions for several decades based on these models. There’s smooth, exponential growth in the power of these information technologies and computation that goes back a century—very smooth, exponential growth, basically doubling the power of electronics and communication every year. That’s a 50 percent deflation rate.

The same thing is true in biology. It took us 15 years to sequence HIV. We sequenced SARS in 31 days. We’ll soon be able to sequence a virus in just a few days’ time. We're basically doubling the power of these technologies every year.

And that’s going to lead to three great revolutions that sometimes go by the letters GNR: genetics, nanotechnology and robotics. Let me describe these briefly and talk about the implications for our lives ahead.

G, genetics, which is really a term for biotechnology, means that we are gaining the tools to actually understand biology as information processes and reprogram them. Now, 99 percent of the drugs that are on the market today were not done that way. They were done through drug discovery, basically finding something. “Oh, here’s something that lowers blood pressure.” We have no idea why it works or how it works and invariably it has lots of side effects, similar to primitive man and woman when they discovered their first tools. “Oh, here’s a rock, this will make a good hammer.” But we didn't have the means of shaping the tools to actually do a job. We're now understanding the information processes underlying disease and aging and getting the tools to reprogram them.

We have little software programs inside us called genes, about 23 thousand of them. They were designed or evolved tens of thousands of years ago when conditions were quite different. I'll give you just one example. The fat insulin receptor gene says, “Hold on to every calorie because the next hunting season may not work out so well.” And that’s a gene we'd like to reprogram. It made sense 20 thousand years ago when calories were few and far between. What would happen if we blocked that? We have a new technology that can turn genes off called RNA interference. So when that gene was turned off in mice, these mice ate ravenously and yet they remained slim. They got the health benefits of being slim. They didn't get diabetes, didn't get heart disease or cancer. They lived 20 to 25 percent longer while eating ravenously. There are several pharmaceutical companies who have noticed that might be a good human drug.

There’s many other genes we'd like to turn off. There are genes that are necessary for atherosclerosis, the cause of heart disease, to progress. There are genes that cancer relies on to progress. If we can turn these genes off, we could turn these diseases off. Turning genes off is just one of the methodologies. There are new forms of gene therapy that actually add genes so we'll not just have designer babies but designer baby boomers. And you probably read this Korean announcement a couple of days ago of a new form of cell therapy where we can actually create new cells with your DNA so if you need a new heart or new heart cells you will be able to grow them with your own DNA, have them DNA-corrected, and thereby rejuvenate all your cells and tissues.

Ten or 15 years from now, which is not that far away, we'll have the maturing of these biotechnology techniques and we'll dramatically overcome the major diseases that we've struggled with for eons and also allow us to slow down, stop and even reverse aging processes.

The next revolution is nanotechnology, where we're applying information technology to matter and energy. We'll be able to overcome major problems that human civilization has struggled with. For example, energy. We have a little bit of sunlight here today. If we captured .03 percent, that’s three ten-thousandths of the sunlight that falls on the Earth, we could meet all of our energy needs. We can't do that today because solar panels are very heavy, expensive and inefficient. New nano-engineered designs, designing them at the molecular level will enable us to create very inexpensive, very efficient, light-weight solar panels, store the energy in nano-engineered fuel cells, which are highly decentralized, and meet all of our energy needs.

The killer app of nanotechnology is something called nanobots, basically little robots the size of blood cells. If that sound very futuristic, there are four major conferences on that already and they're already performing therapeutic functions in animals. One scientist cured Type-1 diabetes with these blood cell-sized nano-engineered capsules.

In regard to the 2020s, these devices will be able to go inside the human body and keep us healthy by destroying pathogens, correcting DNA errors, killing cancer cells and so on and even go into the brain, and interact with our biological neurons. If that sounds futuristic, there are already neural implants that are FDA-approved so there are people walking around who have computers in their brains and the biological neurons in their vicinity are perfectly happy to interact with these computerized devices. And the latest generation of the neural implant for Parkinson’s disease allows the patients to download new software to their neural implant from outside the patient. By the 2020s, we'll be able to greatly enhance human intelligence, provide full immersion virtual reality, for example, from within the nervous system using these types of technologies.

And finally R, which stands for robotics, which is really artificial intelligence at the human level, we'll see that in the late 2020s. By that time this exponential growth of computation will provide computer systems that are more powerful than the human brain. We'll have completed the reverse engineering of the human brain to get the software algorithms, the secrets, the principles of operation of how human intelligence works. A side benefit of that is we'll have greater insight into ourselves, how human intelligence works, how our emotional intelligence works, what human dysfunction is all about. We’ll be able to correct, for example, neurological diseases and also expand human intelligence. And this is not going to be an alien invasion of intelligent machines. We already routinely do things in our civilization that would be impossible without our computer intelligence. If all the AI programs, narrow AI, that’s embedded in our economic infrastructure were to stop today, our human civilization would grind to a halt. So we're already very integrated with our technology. Computer technology used to be very remote. Now we carry it in our pockets. It'll soon be in our clothing. It’s already begun migrating into our bodies and brains. We will become increasingly intimate with our technology.

The implications of all this is we will extend human longevity. We've already done that. A thousand years ago, human life expectancy was about 23. So most of you would be senior citizens if this were taking place a thousand years ago. In 1800, 200 years ago, human life expectancy was 37. So most of the parents here, including myself, wouldn't be here. It was 50 years in 1900. It’s now pushing 80. Every time there’s been some advance in technology we've pushed it forward.: sanitation, antibiotics. This biotechnology revolution will expand it again. Nanotechnology will solve problems that we don't get around to with biotechnology. We'll have dramatic expansion of human longevity.

But actually life would get boring if we were sitting around for a few hundred years—we would be doing the same things over and over again—unless we had radical life expansion. And this technology will also expand our opportunities, expand our ability to create and appreciate knowledge. And creating knowledge is what the human species is all about. We're the only species that has knowledge that we pass down from generation to generation. That’s what you've been doing for the last four years. That’s what you will continue doing indefinitely. We are expanding exponentially human knowledge and that is really what is exciting about the future.

I was told that commencement addresses should have a vision, which I've tried to share with you, and some practical advice. And my practical advice is that creating knowledge is what will be most exciting in life. And in order to create knowledge you have to have passion. So find a challenge that you can be passionate about, and there many of them that are worthwhile. And if you’re passionate about a worthwhile challenge, you can find the ideas to overcome that challenge. Those ideas exist and you can find them. And persistence usually pays off. You've all had timed tests where you had two or three hours to complete a test. But the tests in life are not timed. If you need an extra hour you can take it. Or an extra day, an extra week, an extra year, an extra decade. You’re the only one that will determine your own success or failure. Thomas Edison tried thousands of filaments to get his light bulb to work and none of them worked. And he easily could have said, “I guess all those skeptics who said that a practical light bulb was impossible were right.” Obviously he didn't do that. You know the rest of the story.

If you have a challenge that you feel passionately about that’s really worthwhile, then you should never give in. To quote Winston Churchill, “Never give in. Never give in. Never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in.”

Congratulations once again. This is a great achievement. I wish all of you long lives—very long lives—of success, creativity, health and happiness. And may the Force be with you.

' 2005 KurzweilAI.net

   
 

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Visions of the future
posted on 06/21/2005 10:55 PM by rajesh

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Dear Ray,

Your 'Visions of the Future' is lucid, precise and impassioned. I am forwarding the link to my daughters and friends.

I fully agree that the creation of knowledge will be the greatest and most exciting human engagement in future. Perhaps you would agree that equally important will be that people have knowledge, that the democracy of knowledge too expands to become universal. That will be the best guarantee for putting knowledge to good use.

I am studying the relationship between culture (especially literature) and technology (especially IT). If you have ideas on this, or any web resources in mind, please let me know.

Thanks.

Sincerely,
Rajesh Kumar Sharma
Lecturer
Dept. of English
Punjabi Univ., Patiala (Punjab)
India

Re: What the Future Will Bring
posted on 06/21/2005 11:55 PM by electropath

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people might also find lots of interesting stuff from here:

http://www.davidbrin.com/futurearticles.html

Re: What the Future Will Bring
posted on 06/22/2005 12:45 AM by ~MysticMonkeyGuru~

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Tch tch tch. More overoptimism from Ray and Co.

I thought he and his ilk should have known by now. John Smart has a better idea of following the path of accelerating change...

www.singularitywatch.com

At least he has a better idea of where technology is taking us.

Re: What the Future Will Bring
posted on 06/22/2005 8:51 AM by eldras

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Bloody brilliant. Sounds like Bobby Kennedy.

I realise how issolated I am in London on futrology.

I dont find Ray overoptomistic, he's giving examples of stuff he's predicting.

He's talking about creating knowledge, which is new to me.

I think about things a bit differently. I think knowledge is data manipulation and that there are higher things possible to men, though it's arguably still.

He issolates Genatics Nanotechnology and Robotics.

90% of projects may fail because their modelling of the future is wrong; they incorrectly predict the conditions of their project emmergence year.

It is massively critical to involve the whole public in our debates and work, and Ray does put the work in publically understandable terms.

Has any one a refernce to his prediction tools used...he mentions smooths graphs..how many is he uses/what?

Cheers

Eldras



Incidently, thew stock price of Google will be higher in 3 years!

Cheers

Eldras

Re: What the Future Will Bring
posted on 06/22/2005 8:54 AM by Extropia

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I think Mysticmonkey is right after all. It doesn't matter that we will learn how to manipulate genes, or that we are finding ways to replenish those lost youthful cells and organs. It does not matter that computers are getting smarter and more powerful, and allowing us to understand the molecular workings of life. It will make not one jot of difference if we design robotic or artificial hearts/lungs/well just take a look on the Web for more examples, because, frankly, none of this technology will impact our lives at all. I think not.

What strange arguments he puts forward. 'If I look after my car and replace all its worn out parts, it will still inevitably fall apart as if I had done nothing' sort of argument. He has not put forward ONE argument that shows why he thinks the obvious pace of technological change will not have any effects on humanity, it's all just denial.

Re: What the Future Will Bring
posted on 06/23/2005 12:27 AM by electropath

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I think we can all agree that these developments will begin to change the nature of human life. It has already been changed - how we view it, how we experience it - by medicine and even TV; maybe by all of our other extensions of self. The anti-cloning people know that technology can definitely change the meaning of what it means to be human.

Kids today know about incredible things; stuff only profs knew in the past. Dramatic increases in longevity and in computer infrastructure and power, free energy etc will undoubtedly change human life even more radically. And I want in too, but I think Ray's optimistic estimates of when are motivated by his wish to personally witness these transformations in his own lifetime.



"They'll learn much more than I'll ever know.
And I think to myself... What a wonderful world."

Louis Armstrong

Re: What the Future Will Bring
posted on 06/23/2005 4:38 AM by Extropia

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To be fair to Mysticmonkey, the voices speaking up for transhumanism are like the barest whispers in comparison to the human-racist movement headed by the likes of Leon Kass and Bill Mckibben. We have bio-luddites in positions of great power and they have effectively muscled in on Green issues and have really conquered the media with their pessimistic outlook. They have the President's attention.

Now, Kurzweil would say 'so what? The pace of change continues'. Maybe so, after all, nobody really wants to grow old and die, or go do a dull/dangerous job, so there's the motivation to continue the kinds of research into stem cells etc. But maybe their alarmist outlooks will set us back.

Re: What the Future Will Bring
posted on 06/23/2005 5:20 AM by G'khan

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The nature of human life didn't change the last 50 years that much. why should it change the next 20 years? I agree with mmonkey on this.

Most of the humans are unaware of technology, most of them are ignorant and it will stay this way.

The mass is stupid

Re: What the Future Will Bring
posted on 06/23/2005 10:28 AM by Thomas Kristan

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The mass is stupid


No doubt about. But this post of yours is a kind of stupid also, I am afraid.

"If it hasn't changed for ... it will not change in .."

This is also a bit silly, don't you think?

Re: What the Future Will Bring
posted on 06/23/2005 11:16 AM by G'khan

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what is silly? what do u mean?
I just said that the society doest change that much over time . thats it. What do u do not understand? must i spell it?

Re: What the Future Will Bring
posted on 06/23/2005 12:28 PM by Thomas Kristan

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must i spell it?


No ... I, myself am not very good at this ... but still ... ;-)

Let go back on topics! The whole business of the Singularity is precisely about that sudden change. Otherwise we would talk about the Steady Inclination. Wouldn't we?

Re: What the Future Will Bring
posted on 06/23/2005 3:13 PM by G'khan

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The "sudden change" you are talking about is the change in technology. The common society will not change that much.

Re: What the Future Will Bring
posted on 06/23/2005 3:14 PM by mars22

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yeah , sad but true, people dont change , technology does.

maybe we could use technology to change people, then we would get somehwere.

Re: What the Future Will Bring
posted on 06/23/2005 4:09 PM by G'khan

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i wonder how it will be when the robots will walk among us?
Since most humans are stupid i wouldn't mind if machines take over control and lead us. maybe this will be the singularity.

Re: What the Future Will Bring
posted on 06/19/2006 4:47 AM by Corwyn

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But people do change. Prozac, TV, empty-calorie "food" products, neural implants - technology is changing people ever faster and ever more dramatically.

Re: What the Future Will Bring
posted on 06/23/2005 4:07 PM by /:setAI

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tell me how human beings will avoid drastic change if our entire planet is converted into a nucleonic nano/femtotechnological computing/matter-sysnthesis network over the course of a few minutes?

Re: What the Future Will Bring
posted on 06/23/2005 4:10 PM by Thomas Kristan

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tell me how human beings will avoid drastic change if our entire planet is converted into a nucleonic nano/femtotechnological computing/matter-sysnthesis network over the course of a few minutes?


Agree.

Re: What the Future Will Bring
posted on 06/23/2005 4:13 PM by G'khan

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i will open a new thread for this issue.

Re: What the Future Will Bring
posted on 06/23/2005 4:25 PM by mars22

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nanobots wont be that efficient for decades.

and we would just end up like the borg.

Re: What the Future Will Bring
posted on 06/23/2005 4:44 PM by G'khan

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setai, here an example.
my father still doesnt used a computer while the computers are here now for about 20 years..And i can tell u hes not the only one.

most humans are not changing along with technology.
What if AI/nanobots/attoHZ PC comes? nothing will change my father.

Re: What the Future Will Bring
posted on 06/23/2005 4:48 PM by Thomas Kristan

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my father still doesnt used a computer while the computers are here now for about 20 years..


Xes, he does. Whenever he turns the light on, a computer somewhere calculates, how much additional energy is to be produced and transported.

Etc.

Re: What the Future Will Bring
posted on 07/03/2005 1:45 PM by Tursk1

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The question as to whether society has changed much over the past fifty years all depends on where in the world you live and your point of view. It is relative. Agricultural society gave way to industrial society and changed the west in both good and bad ways. Industrial society is changing (yes I said STILL changing) into something we haven't really defined yet. The biotechnology knowledge spoken of here as it applies to anyones quality of life will of course depend on how it is controlled and used. It has great potential to end many diseases but, will it be used for all or, used selectively? Do we really want to end life threatening diseases in an over populated world? As with many new ideas and inventions, there is a great potential for misuse. The ideas spoken of here have perhaps the greatest potential for misuse of all; genetic engineering for a super race. The end of human diversity as currently recognized.

Re: What the Future Will Bring
posted on 07/27/2005 8:33 AM by electropath

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Yes we do want to end life-threatening disease in this world, because we need better controls over our lives and deaths than slow, horrid, painful and expensive degenerations. Have you ever seen first-hand the effects of an unfortunate condition like that, or how indiscriminately they take life?

And biotech, singularity-type tech etc. promise the reverse of what you say. We will not need to treat ourselves the same way we do our crops and livestock - that is, to insert a desirable gene into one genome and just make a monoculture of copies of that genome. We would never be that thick about our own uniqueness. What you will see is people opting first for corrections of known defects in their embryonic offspring; these changes will constitute a few genes out of maybe thirty thousand - a change of much less than 1%.
Furthermore, once augmentation becomes acceptable, even possible at an adult age, the genetic makeup of humanity promises to undergo a radiative sub/speciation event under the diverse self-direction that generations of our minds would elect to undergo.

Re: What the Future Will Bring
posted on 07/27/2005 9:24 AM by sushi101

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well put

Re: What the Future Will Bring
posted on 06/19/2006 5:15 AM by Corwyn

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Furthermore, once augmentation becomes acceptable, even possible at an adult age, the genetic makeup of humanity promises to undergo a radiative sub/speciation event under the diverse self-direction that generations of our minds would elect to undergo.


Studies have always indicated that the vast majority of parents of all origins will, given the choice, choose to have children that are tall blonde males with blue eyes.

Re: What the Future Will Bring
posted on 07/29/2005 4:37 AM by Bradski

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The nature of human life didn't change the last 50 years that much. why should it change the next 20 years? I agree with mmonkey on this.


?? Just the lifting of 100's of millions in Asia out of bare subsistance living to prosperity alone is an astounding change.

I worked with a team of Russian programmers, in 8 years I went from their only source of current technical publications to today where they can grab from the net as quickly as I can. The internet has reached a hugh section of humanity in an extremely short period of time.

My Grandfather remembered the awe he felt seeing his first car, it was another 20 years until he rode in one.

Also, you don't have to know tech to be changed by it -- get in a car, turn it on. Search on google, get vaccinated. You benefit and are changed without needing to know "what's under the hood".

Gary

Re: What the Future Will Bring
posted on 06/19/2006 5:08 AM by Corwyn

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The nature of human life didn't change the last 50 years that much.


Really? From 1955 to 2005? How much is "that much"? In 1955 TVs were rare, showed only one to three channels (only in black and white) and had no remotes. Living in the suburbs and high-rise apartments was still a new experience. No VCRs, laserdiscs, DVDs, CDs, microwave ovens, styrofoam, cordless (much less cell) phones, laser surgery, four-wheel disc brakes, re-runs, running shoes, Internet, stereo in the home, weather prediction using satellites, automatic dishwashers in the home, anti-static sheets for the dryer and much, much more. Don't think that's "much"? Try giving up all the technological innovations introduced since 1955 for a year and then tell us how you feel about the subject.

Re: What the Future Will Bring
posted on 06/19/2006 5:23 AM by Corwyn

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We have bio-luddites in positions of great power and they have effectively muscled in on Green issues and have really conquered the media with their pessimistic outlook. They have the President's attention.

Now, Kurzweil would say 'so what? The pace of change continues'. Maybe so, after all, nobody really wants to grow old and die, or go do a dull/dangerous job, so there's the motivation to continue the kinds of research into stem cells etc. But maybe their alarmist outlooks will set us back.


It is unlikely that our backward politicians will set overall human research back, since it continues in other countries. We may suffer locally due to the neo-luddites (and in fact, we already are), but some portion of humanity has always continued the ever-faster advancement of technology.

Re: What the Future Will Bring
posted on 06/23/2005 7:00 AM by Marcel

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Doesn't Smart predict the singularity for 2060?
Scince when do you agree with something like that?

BTW: Kurzweil has predicted true singularity for the 2040s - 20 years more or less are completly unimportant.

Re: What the Future Will Bring
posted on 10/08/2005 2:19 AM by tluger

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I think John Smart has already been proven wrong in his pessimistic predictions for biotechnology. He doesn't think there is any flexibility built into the genetic code after all the millennia of evolution. That any attempts to play around with the code will surely backfire. Yet recent results in korean stem cell therapy,
RNA interference and mammalian limb regeneration seem to belie his claims. He clearly is deeply schooled in AI and technology in general, but his perspective on biology seems to suffer from a severe lack of understanding and imagination. RNA interference, in particular, is a brilliant methodology, that hold immense and near-immediate promise to alter the course of many illnesses. Nature hasn't tried every possibility. Nature merely fills niches with adaptations necessary for survival to reproductive age. Nature has no stake in health and longevity beyond child rearing, so all that potential remains untapped and untested. To dismiss the entire realm of biotech as a waste of time is, well, just not very smart.

Re: What the Future Will Bring
posted on 07/27/2005 4:21 AM by jimmywo

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I find the article interesting and personally like new science and technology, but I feel mankind is still racing between technology and wisdom. Overall, we have extend the life expectancy of the human race and technology has not been powerful enough to wipe us out.

It use to be you have to work very hard to kill someone by hand, then it improve to a rock, then a knife, and etc. Now we have home made atomic bomb, biological warfare, and computer virus.

I wish there was an improve method or technology that give wisdom. Then maybe we know it if we should first turn off eating ravenously before turning off the calorie gene which may be more ecologically efficient, or what is the purpose of atherosclerosis. Please give everyone the wisdom to know if we should be immortal or not.

If wisdom doesn't outrace technology, our technology will kill us either by robot or weapon of mass distruction. -- jw

Re: What the Future Will Bring
posted on 07/27/2005 5:25 AM by sushi101

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The more technology the more wisdom.

Just look at the debates we have today. Look at all the interest groups and anti groups that form.

I think they are the solution to what they caution against.

The mere fact that they exist makes people think about the consequences off what they do.

Re: What the Future Will Bring
posted on 07/29/2005 4:41 AM by Bradski

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Overall, we have extend the life expectancy of the human race and technology has not been powerful enough to wipe us out.


The world always seems poised on chaos -- Jet engines allow diseases to jump continents in a day ... yet the same base of technology is begining to allow us to cure that disease eventually in that same day.

Wonder if Ray has commented on this sort of rocky ballance?

Gary

Re: What the Future Will Bring
posted on 07/15/2006 5:14 PM by pansophia

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The more technology the more wisdom.

That's just silly.

Show me your wisdom graphs over time...

Re: What the Future Will Bring
posted on 08/29/2005 12:06 PM by Arthur

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The cornucopia of marvelous new technologies expounded on by Ray Kurzweil will undoubtedly have a significant impact on human life in the future.

At the same time, the IT, biotech, and nanobot advances are all fundamentally limited by two enormous and tightly interconnected global phenomena: Peak Oil and Global Warming.

Re: What the Future Will Bring
posted on 08/29/2005 3:13 PM by Extropia

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I'm not sure what you mean by that. If you mean, 'there is a strict time limit to how long we have in order to perfect these technologies, due to the inevitable upheavels that peak oil would have if it hits BEFORE we achieve the breakthrough', then I agree.

But if you mean that 'peak oil and global warming will happen whether we achieve the promises of nanotechnology, biotechnology etc or not', I have one word for you.

'Bollocks'.

Nature has run its machinery for 14 billion years and has never run out of energy. As those technologies allow us to replicate nature, we can make our machines be as efficient as nature's.

Re: What the Future Will Bring
posted on 08/30/2005 12:41 PM by Arthur

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Extropia,

What I mean is that these two global, interconnecting phenomena in all likelihood are now upon us (Global Warming most definitely; Peak Oil we'll know for sure shortly, probably within a year). Consequently, IT, biotech and nanotech must operate within these constraints, constraints that will shape the direction(s) these fields will (and won't) take. Peak Oil and Global Warming now set the framework of the debate.

Moving forward, as the long arc of oil depletion sets in, the Big Enchilada is whether enough highly concentrated energy (in the form of oil, coal, uranium and plutonium) remains to drive IT, biotech and nanotech R&D up to and through the Singularity, in the face of all the competing demands for this energy, from carbon dioxide mitigation and water-treatment facilities for the Third World to rap DVDs and Godiva chocolates.

Re: What the Future Will Bring
posted on 08/30/2005 5:02 PM by Extropia

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Ah, thanks for clearing up my confusion. Yes, a lot of experts in climate change argue that we have passed the 'tipping point' or the point of no return. Trying to reverse the effects of climate change now is a bit like applying the brakes on your car after it falls off of a cliff. IE it's a bit late.

I guess if that's true we all have to learn how to live with extreme weather patterns and other upheavals.

Re: What the Future Will Bring
posted on 08/30/2005 5:09 PM by Extropia

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In the case of one energy source running out and whether or not alternatives can be found in time, this situation seems similar to that which occurrs every time a particluar form of computer (vancuum tube-driven ones, for example) begin to hit their physical limits. The experts moan that The Curve is approaching the end, but as the end grows nearer research gets pumped into developing alternatives and the Curve carries on upwards without missing a beat.

If you hunt around on sites like foresight.org, you can see that there are alternative ways of generating and storing power being developed, so hopefully The Curve will still continue its upward march.

I've always said, though, that a technological singularity is not guaranteed. The only thing I guarantee is that 20th Century Civilisation cannot be sustained for much longer and so must either end in extinction, or transcend itself.

Re: What the Future Will Bring
posted on 08/31/2005 10:33 PM by Arthur

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Extropia writes,

In the case of one energy source running out and whether or not alternatives can be found in time, this situation seems similar to that which occurrs every time a particluar form of computer (vancuum tube-driven ones, for example) begin to hit their physical limits. The experts moan that The Curve is approaching the end, but as the end grows nearer research gets pumped into developing alternatives and the Curve carries on upwards without missing a beat.


This is a common viewpoint of Technological Optimists. Some kind of ingenious alternative technology (10 years ago it was biotech; now it's nanotech) will eventually solve the world's dependence on oil, probably long before Peak Oil arrives. When considering this possibility, I think it's very important to remember that energy is NOT synonymous with technology. IOW, energy and technology are NOT the same thing.

By remembering that energy and technology are not the same thing, the nature and dept of the challenge posed by Peak Oil becomes clear. When you think about it, there are only five energy sources available to us. Four are non-renewable (oil, natural gas, coal, and nuclear), and the fifth is renewable solar (which includes wind, hydro, PV, and bio-mass, all dependent in some way on sunlight acting on the earth.) The hope of Technological Optimists is that technology (in some unknown way) will allow us to capture an equivalent amount OF energy from renewables that we now get from non-renewables, thereby keeping the Curve moving exponentially up to and through the Singularity. Maybe, but it's a EXTREMELY dicey proposition, given the diffuse nature of renewables and what appears to be fundamental limitations on concentrating it. It's a LOT more complicated that simply "unplugging" the OIL and "replacing" it with some TECHNOLOGY.

There are certainly a number of interesting incremental advances now being made, especially in nanotech. But all of them put together have barely begun to bring us to the point where renewable energy can be concentrated in anywhere near the amounts that non-renewables currently provide us with. Unfortunately, from where I sit, all too many Technological Optimists appear to suffer from a kind of Jiminy Cricket syndrome: If you wish for something, it will come true.

That's now how the world works.

Re: What the Future Will Bring
posted on 08/31/2005 10:38 PM by Arthur

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I said,

That's now how the world works.


Make that

That's NOT how the world works.

Sorry about that.

Re: What the Future Will Bring
posted on 06/19/2006 2:42 AM by Corwyn

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When you think about it, there are only five energy sources available to us. Four are non-renewable (oil, natural gas, coal, and nuclear), and the fifth is renewable solar (which includes wind, hydro, PV, and bio-mass, all dependent in some way on sunlight acting on the earth.) The hope of Technological Optimists is that technology (in some unknown way) will allow us to capture an equivalent amount OF energy from renewables that we now get from non-renewables, thereby keeping the Curve moving exponentially up to and through the Singularity. Maybe, but it's a EXTREMELY dicey proposition, given the diffuse nature of renewables and what appears to be fundamental limitations on concentrating it. It's a LOT more complicated that simply "unplugging" the OIL and "replacing" it with some TECHNOLOGY.



Actually, you forgot a few energy sources, including tidal, wave-motion and geo-thermal. Of all the new ones, tidal is the best, as it is not affected by weather (as solar and wave-motion are). More than 90% of humanity (and more than 90% of Americans) live near a coast, and some Scandinavians already have some tidal powerplants up and running. There was supposed to be a "test" plant opened near San Francisco, but I haven't heard more lately and in this political climate, who knows.

By the way, technically oil, natural gas, coal and nuclear are all "renewable". It just takes a very, very long time in the case of oil, NG and coal. New breeder reactor designs would actually grow the supply of fissionables, but there are varying degrees of political objection in some countries.

As for replacing oil for lubricants, making plastics and powering transportation, various synthetics and substitutes are already known and the technologies to produce them well understood. For example, GM, Ford, VW and Fiat have been happily selling "flex" cars (vehicles that can run on ethanol or gasoline) in Brazil for many years. The Brazillians obtain their ethanol from sugarcane that they grow domestically. Such a technology could be easily introduced into the infrastructure in the same way that government required gas stations to start offering unleaded gasoline, and with the same lack of disruption. There is nothing "dicey" about it. The energy corporations are well aware of these potential substitutes and already heavily invested in them, but first they intend to wring every penny out of their oil, gas and coal investments that they can.

So you see, no special "technological optimism" is required.

Re: What the Future Will Bring
posted on 08/31/2005 9:18 PM by Arthur

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I believe that the consensus among atmospheric and climate scientists is that the "tipping point" is 400 ppm of CO2; we're now at 380 ppm and increasing at a rate of 2-2.5 ppm/year.

But now that a huge region of Siberian permafrost has melted and turned into shallow lakes, a huge amount of methane (that other greenhouse gas) is also bubbling up into the atmosphere. Given the inertia in the world's current fossil fuel consumption, I agree that we've probably already passed the "tipping point".

Those old 11th-12th century dairy pastures in Western Greenland have apparently been reopened and are back in business. Global Warming is the reason, not a shift of the Gulf Stream back to the location it was 1,000 years ago. Very alarming.

Re: What the Future Will Bring
posted on 08/31/2005 10:25 PM by eldras

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Well robots are alrwdy walking amoung us.

i've popped in for a bit to a robot manufacturing company near babbage's old pace in london and they have 6 foot bipeds there with arms that have the same dexterity as yours.

I wonder at the relative importantce between companies and countires

COUNTRIES= 24 of top 100 wealth controllers

Companies= 76 of top 100 wealth controllers.



We are in a position where we should be able to;

abolish poverty.

raise thew dead.

live for ever



the hard take off is extrmemly likely for my brass.

I lok to a phase shaft/change in the universe when SAI comes, so i'm enjoying the twilight years of humaness.

Re: What the Future Will Bring
posted on 09/01/2005 9:45 AM by Arthur

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eldras writes,

I wonder at the relative importantce between companies and countires

COUNTRIES= 24 of top 100 wealth controllers

Companies= 76 of top 100 wealth controllers.


At this present time, companies are the most dynamic forces on the planet. For good or ill.

Re: What the Future Will Bring
posted on 01/15/2006 2:29 AM by eldras

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Yep,

if countires turn to economics, they prosper and cooperate.

If they turn to politics they flounder and issolate.

Economics and emergent technology are interre;lated i've just discovered.


The WPI address speaks about vision and that is pretty common in inventors.

Visionaries are ecclectic, potty sometimes, definately driven.

I'm enjoying the idea that there might not be a hard take off and the next 20 years will be the most remarkable in human history.

I dont fear death any more as resurrection is probably injevitable through quantum archeology

BTW University of michigan annound=ced two days ago it had made the world's first quantum chip.

I remain skeptical about quantum computing's efficiency because of my briefing here at London A.I. Club, but I really hope it comes through.

http://www.singularity.com/kain.php

Re: What the Future Will Bring
posted on 01/25/2006 3:52 PM by univmich

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Related to these ideas about economics and the ability of singularity technologies to gain access in depressed areas of the world..

...check out Thomas P.M. Barnett's two books "The Pentagon's New Map" and "Blueprint for Action"

Both books basically lay out a strategy for a kind of forced integration of countries outside of the global market. Barnett (love him or hate him) is gaining an audience at the Pentagon. His vision is based on the notion that countries which get connected to the global economy eventually see improvements in all major areas of society - therefore - he lays out a plan for 'bringing' the countries outside of the core of globalization (the gap countries) into full connect. In fact, he uses a lot of techno-lingo to describe these processes (like 'sysadmin', 'disconnectedness equals danger', etc.)

The relevance is clear. If his ideas are increasingly applied - and - they actually work (for which there is some evidence), then technologies won't have such a steep hill to climb going into the previous 'third' world. Successful globalization (if there is such a thing) would be the firm footing for the Genetic / Nano / and Robotic revolution.

Check out the books. I'm not sure whether we should pass them out or burn them...but then again, I feal equally concerned about the Singularity.

I'm just keeping an eye on it for now.

Re: What the Future Will Bring
posted on 06/19/2006 2:11 AM by Corwyn

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Barnett's books are part of the Pentagon "echo chamber", reflecting back the wacky (and now completely discredited) ideas of the neo-cons. For example, the notion that the USA should establish (by force, where necessary) a chain of permanent military bases (starting in Iraq) stretching from South America around the world to the Southwest Pacific and then use them to police the world by threatening the flow of oil has already proven horribly impractical. While such fantasies appeal to would-be empire builders who miss the Cold War, they are already being disavowed, even by most of those who originally proposed them.

Re: What the Future Will Bring
posted on 06/19/2006 4:35 AM by Corwyn

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Moving forward, as the long arc of oil depletion sets in, the Big Enchilada is whether enough highly concentrated energy (in the form of oil, coal, uranium and plutonium) remains to drive IT, biotech and nanotech R&D up to and through the Singularity, in the face of all the competing demands for this energy, from carbon dioxide mitigation and water-treatment facilities for the Third World to rap DVDs and Godiva chocolates.


Since IT (including robotics), biotech, and nanotech are all seen as central to future military capabilities and so are receiving lavish R&D funding, it is almost certain that they will also be provided with all the energy and protection from the effects of global warming that they require, regardless of who among us has to be denied water treatment, rap DVDs or chocolates.

Re: What the Future Will Bring
posted on 01/30/2006 8:26 PM by 1 thinker

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Humans have not been around for 14 billion yrs, and our use of oil has only started since when,75 yrs ago. I live in northern Canada where 20 yrs ago, -40Celsious was normal in a winter. This winter it has never reached -20. One week ago, Plus 10 Celsious, FAR FROM NORMAL. 95% of the community that i live in is employed or directly related to the oil industry. Look at the price at the pumps for fuel, outrageous, only because consumption is catching up with production. If new technology can't comfortably and affordably intergrate itself into society within the next 10-15 years, well then you know "what" is going to hit the "fan".

Re: What the Future Will Bring
posted on 01/28/2006 5:30 PM by Dan+Demi

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Right now, humanity has a lot of energy and thought flowing into useless things. If we were in extreme danger, people would wake up and redouble their efforts. Humanity has never destroyed itself and it never will.

I am looking forward to the cure of old age very much. If this cure becomes available in 2020, I will be 35 years old by then.

Co2 problems are bad. What about a genetically engineered super plant that absorbs co2 and creates oxygen very fast?

Technology makes things more and more efficient with time. I think that sooner or later technology will becomes so advanced that it will reverse our environmental damage/pollution problems.

I liked this article by Ray, I really did.