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    An Open Letter to Richard Smalley
by   K. Eric Drexler

Dr. Richard Smalley has voiced criticisms of Dr. Eric Drexler's concept of molecular assemblers, which could be used to implement self-replicating nanobots. Smalley, who discovered "fullerenes" (aka "buckyballs"), is Chairman of the Board of Carbon Nanotechnologies, Inc. and former director of Rice University's Center for Nanoscale Science and Technology. Drexler, who coined the term "nanotechnology" and is Chairman of the Board of Foresight Institute, responds to these criticisms.


Published on KurzweilAI.net April 16, 2003.

Prof. Smalley:

I have written this open letter to correct your public misrepresentation of my work.

As you know, I introduced the term "nanotechnology" in the mid-1980s to describe advanced capabilities based on molecular assemblers: proposed devices able to guide chemical reactions by positioning reactive molecules with atomic precision. Since "nanotechnology" is now used label diverse current activities, I have attempted to minimize confusion by relabelling the longer term goal "molecular manufacturing." The consequences of molecular manufacturing are widely understood to be enormous, posing opportunities and dangers of first-rank importance to the long-term security of the United States and the world. Theoretical studies of its implementation and capabilities are therefore of more than academic interest, and are akin to pre-Sputnik studies of spaceflight, or to pre-Manhattan-Project calculations regarding nuclear chain reactions.

You have attempted to dismiss my work in this field by misrepresenting it. From what I hear of a press conference at the recent NNI conference, you continue to do so. In particular, you have described molecular assemblers as having multiple "fingers" that manipulate individual atoms and suffer from so-called "fat finger" and "sticky finger" problems, and you have dismissed their feasibility on this basis [1]. I find this puzzling because, like enzymes and ribosomes, proposed assemblers neither have nor need these "Smalley fingers" [2]. The task of positioning reactive molecules simply doesn't require them.

I have a twenty year history of technical publications in this area [3 - 12] and consistently describe systems quite unlike the straw man you attack. My proposal is, and always has been, to guide the chemical synthesis of complex structures by mechanically positioning reactive molecules, not by manipulating individual atoms. This proposal has been defended successfully again and again, in journal articles, in my MIT doctoral thesis, and before scientific audiences around the world. It rests on well-established physical principles.

The impossibility of "Smalley fingers" has raised no concern in the research community because these fingers solve no problems and thus appear in no proposals. Your reliance on this straw-man attack might lead a thoughtful observer to suspect that no one has identified a valid criticism of my work. For this I should, perhaps, thank you.

You apparently fear that my warnings of long-term dangers [13] will hinder funding of current research, stating that "We should not let this fuzzy-minded nightmare dream scare us away from nanotechnology....NNI should go forward" [14]. However, I have from the beginning argued that the potential for abuse of advanced nanotechnologies makes vigorous research by the U.S and its allies imperative [13]. Many have found these arguments persuasive. In an open discussion, I believe they will prevail. In contrast, your attempt to calm the public through false claims of impossibility will inevitably fail, placing your colleagues at risk of a destructive backlash.

Your misdirected arguments have needlessly confused public discussion of genuine long-term security concerns. If you value the accuracy of information used in decisions of importance to national and global security, I urge you to seek some way to help set the record straight. Endorsing calls for an independent scientific review of molecular manufacturing concepts [15] would be constructive.

A scientist whose research I respect has observed that "when a scientist says something is possible, they're probably underestimating how long it will take. But if they say it's impossible, they're probably wrong." The scientist quoted is, of course, yourself [16].

K. Eric Drexler
Chairman, Foresight Institute


1. Smalley, R. E. (2001) Of chemistry, love and nanobots - How soon will we see the nanometer-scale robots envisaged by K. Eric Drexler and other molecular nanotechologists? The simple answer is never. Scientific American, September, 68-69.
<http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~smalleyg/rick's%20publications/SA285-76.pdf>

2. Drexler, K. E., D. Forrest, R. A. Freitas Jr., J. S. Hall, N. Jacobstein, T. McKendree, R. Merkle, C. Peterson (2001) A Debate About Assemblers.
<http://www.imm.org/SciAmDebate2/smalley.html>.

3. Drexler, K. E. (1981) Molecular engineering: An approach to the development of general capabilities for molecular manipulation. Proc. Natnl.
Acad. Sci. U.S.A.. 78:5275-5278. <http://www.imm.org/PNAS.html>

4. Drexler, K. E. (1987) Nanomachinery: Atomically precise gears and bearings. IEEE Micro Robots and Teleoperators Workshop. Hyannis,
Massachusetts: IEEE.

5. Drexler, K. E., and J. S. Foster. (1990) Synthetic tips. Nature. 343:600.

6. Drexler, K. E. (1991) Molecular tip arrays for molecular imaging and nanofabrication. Journal of Vacuum Science and Technology-B. 9:1394-1397.

7. Drexler K. E., (1991) Molecular Machinery and Manufacturing with Applications to Computation. MIT doctoral thesis.

8. Drexler, K. E. (1992) Nanosystems: Molecular Machinery, Manufacturing, and Computation. New York: John Wiley & Sons.
<http://www.foresight.org/NanoRev/Bookstore.html#anchor1025139>

9. Drexler, K. E. (1992) Molecular Directions in Nanotechnology. Nanotechnology (2:113).

10. Drexler, K. E. (1994) Molecular machines: physical principles and implementation strategies. Annual Review of Biophysics and Biomolecular
Structure (23:337-405).

11. Drexler, K. E. (1995) Molecular manufacturing: perspectives on the ultimate limits of fabrication. Phil. Trans. R. Soc. London A (353:323-331).

12. Drexler, K. E. (1999) Building molecular machine systems. Trends in Biotechnology, 17: 5-7. <http://www.imm.org/Reports/Rep008.html>

13. Drexler, K. E. (1986) Engines of Creation: The Coming Era of Nanotechnology. New York: Anchor Press/Doubleday.
<http://www.foresight.org/EOC/index.html>

14. Smalley, R. E. (2000) quoted in: W. Schulz, Crafting A National Nanotechnology Effort. Chemical & Engineering News, October 16.
<http://pubs.acs.org/cen/nanotechnology/7842/7842government.html>

15. Peterson, C. L. Testimony before the Committee on Science, U.S. House of Representatives, 9 April 2003.
<http://www.house.gov/science/hearings/full03/apr09/peterson.htm>

16. Smalley, R. E. (2000) quoted in N. Thompson, Downsizing: Nanotechnology---Why you should sweat the small stuff. The Washington Monthly Online, October. <http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2000/0010.thompson.html>

   
 

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How can this debate even exist?
posted on 04/17/2003 1:26 PM by Lenester

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The very idea that something which is clearly done in nature cannot also be done by us, is counter to the most basic spirit of science. It hearkens back to an age of magical descriptions, implying that there's some mystic Stuff out there which is beyond our mortal ken. That a deservedly reknowned scientist could rely on such an argument upsets me, although in some way I suppose it is a side-effect of our society, whose media seems obsessed with extremism.

It's true, unfortunately, that many people take many things at face value without investigating the reasoning behind an argument, possibly because there's so much to keep track of these days that checking every fact would keep you too busy to get anything else done. From that light, I can see how the most effective argument against Luddite sentiments might seem to be complete denial of the dangers. But this assumes that the general public is stupid enough to run in whatever direction they're herded, and I prefer to give my average fellow human credit for more intelligence than that.

And unfortunately, being a Luddite is apparently what Dr. Drexler is accused of. I've repeatedly seen him characterized along with Bill Joy and others as suggesting that we abandon nanotechnology research entirely, giving up the possible benefits due to fear of the risks. From Dr. Drexler's own writings, my impression is that while he wishes to take every step possible to reduce those risks, by no means does he suggest we abandon the field entirely—pace ourselves, certainly, and stop to think once in a while, but never turn our backs completely. My own viewpoint on the subject, to adapt a phrase, is that if nanotechnology is outlawed, only outlaws will posess nanotechnology!

Returning to the point, though: this unfortunately means that Dr. Smalley is, in addition to everything else, attacking the wrong man. He selected Drexler as iconic of the position he opposes, that progress should cease; and he criticized Drexler's work in what ultimately functions as an ad hominem attack, appealing to the public's emotions rather than to their minds. "This man is silly, do not listen to him."

But in so doing, Smalley both compromised his own ideals (suggesting that something can't be done which most certainly can) and alienated a potential ally (Drexler, too, wishes for continual progress, even if at a more measured pace). I hope he realizes these errors, and soon, so this distracting squabble can cease and our leading minds can get back to forward motion.

Re: How can this debate even exist?
posted on 04/18/2003 3:52 AM by subtillioN

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Drexler said it quite well:

You apparently fear that my warnings of long-term dangers ... will hinder funding of current research, stating that "We should not let this fuzzy-minded nightmare dream scare us away from nanotechnology....NNI should go forward"...


Perhaps it has more to do with steering public policy than the what the actual possibilities are? Drexler's makes a good point, however, that openness and honesty in this debate is critical.

Re: How can this debate even exist?
posted on 04/18/2003 3:26 PM by allen_alger

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"A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it." -- Max Planck

Re: How can this debate even exist?
posted on 05/04/2003 2:41 AM by JoeFrat

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"A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it." -- Max Planck

The problem with this statement is it may no longer be true. If molecular manufacturing does prove possible it is very probbable that we will be able to eradicate virtually all diseases and aging effects. As it is expected this may happen within the next ten to thirty years it seems that alot of the nay-sayers will be around for a long time. You might want to rethink your possition guys.

Re: How can this debate even exist?
posted on 05/04/2003 4:18 AM by subtillioN

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The problem with this statement is it may no longer be true.


If it were absolutely true we would be doomed. Thankfully it is not an absolute and that there are open minded people in the world that will evolve with or without the dogmatribes.

Re: How can this debate even exist?
posted on 05/04/2003 4:39 AM by Thomas Kristan

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Immortalized nay sayer saying: "That (something not opposing the natural laws), will never be possible to do!" is the most funny and the most silly creature in the Galaxy. They will realize this and stop. If not ... they could seek help!

- Thomas

Re: How can this debate even exist?
posted on 05/05/2003 2:53 PM by griffman

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any Nay-sayers that are alive after the revolution that provides life free of diseese and aging will be hipocrates of what they benifit from. If they refuse to benifit from it they will die and the statement still holds true.

griffman

Re: How can this debate even exist?
posted on 05/05/2003 3:09 PM by subtillioN

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any Nay-sayers that are alive after the revolution that provides life free of diseese and aging will be hipocrates of what they benifit from. If they refuse to benifit from it they will die and the statement still holds true.


Good point. Either way the effects of dogma will be inconsequential.

Re: How can this debate even exist?
posted on 05/05/2003 3:22 PM by griffman

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Either way the effects of dogma will be inconsequential.


the lives behind the dogma will still be lost enmasse for this very reason. they will be "inconsequential"

Griffman

Re: How can this debate even exist?
posted on 05/06/2003 3:30 PM by sushi101

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I am working on vizualisation of various phenomena. This one I will be animating, but it really applies to this discussion.

http://www.graymatterstudio.net/SO/lab/

Re: How can this debate even exist?
posted on 05/06/2003 11:43 PM by subtillioN

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Sushi101,

I really like your website. Nice design.

Intuitively it seems that the possibilities should increase with the power brought by the new technology, not the inverse. The new technology should give us fuller access to the space of possibilities. I probably don't understand the logic behind the graphic though. Are you using Flash to animate it? Will you send me a link when it is finished?


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Re: How can this debate even exist?
posted on 05/07/2003 2:05 AM by sushi101

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Heh thanks but it is not really the design of my website, just something i threw up to show the idea.

The point is that less and less people will have access to more and more advanced technology. That is why the top of the arrow will get longer and thinner (x axis show the amount of people with access to the latest technology y axist)

Actually i am thinking about doing it in Director since I am working on a couple of other projects to that all deals with vizualisation of complex informationer. Flash although I like to work in that is just to slow. Director is 60 times faster and it now has a really good 3d engine that is worth using.

I am a designer not a scientist, but I do understand and enjoy learning about technology and science, so my big goal with theese vizualisations is to make a book that gives an artist interpretation of various scientific and philosophical phenomena.

Re: How can this debate even exist?
posted on 05/07/2003 10:36 AM by subtillioN

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so my big goal with theese vizualisations is to make a book that gives an artist interpretation of various scientific and philosophical phenomena.


hmmm... very similar to my goals wrt visualizing the new physics and the underlying metaphysics.

Re: How can this debate even exist?
posted on 05/05/2003 3:19 PM by griffman

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I have to make an point here considering the debate of what is to come. If we are lucky enough (however much luck is involved) to reach a paradigm shift event within our lifetime as very few do not believe. The simple fact that there are naysayers drives straight to the point that there will be many who will not, or choose not, to benifit from the advancements. In the case of removal of diseese and aging. Many groups will refuse to go through whatever proceedure is required. ( I think Christan Scientists are a good example, no surgury only prayer and whatnot) for whatever reason they believe is reason enough.

As time goes on there will be a devide created. this devide has the potential to hearald the death of billions of people on this planet, by whatever future cause. whether they die of old age,sickness, or a form a racisim. the removal of the other group from existence is inevitable. this is the horror of evolution and Darwinism and why everyone hated the Nazis (going a bit extream I know, but it makes the point).

and all of this is to happen in our lifetime? we are the ones who will witness, if not activly participate, in the removal of "the others"? I hope that turns your stomach as much it does mine. But If the approaching technology is inevitable then so is this. All that can be changed is when it may start, and how long the dying takes.

Is there a better solution? or is this when compasion for such things dies as well?

Griffman
there are thos who believe, those that do not believe, and those that haven't been told.

Re: How can this debate even exist?
posted on 05/05/2003 3:29 PM by subtillioN

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As time goes on there will be a devide created. this devide has the potential to hearald the death of billions of people on this planet, by whatever future cause.


The divide exists today because these future possibilities are not obvious to most people. This is mainly because the technologies do not yet exist. Once they DO exist the masses will naturally believe in them as we believe in the technological possibilities existing today that were in the past unbelievable. The transition IMHO will be smoother than it now seems as the masses necessarily shift their belief systems to match the extant emerging technology.

Re: How can this debate even exist?
posted on 05/06/2003 4:35 AM by JoeFrat

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This brings up a point I think we should all think about. SUICIDE. When it is possible to live without disease and bodies that are virtually young forever what do we say to those who choose to die. In the united states today it is illegal to commit suicide. It is hard to stop someone who really tries but those who fail are locked up in institutions where they are safe. If someone does not want to take a pill that will unclog their arteries do we force them to? Is it up to their families? Their religion? The state?

Re: How can this debate even exist?
posted on 05/06/2003 4:37 AM by JoeFrat

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I meant with bodies that are young forever. Sorry:)

Re: How can this debate even exist?
posted on 05/06/2003 9:56 AM by griffman

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you may have the "virtually" part right anyway.......depending where things go.

We have to be carefull when saying the masses will follow. first off, its easy to sit back and call everyone that is not your peer part of the "masses". But in reality there are many divisions within those masses that have no similarities with each other, other than the fact that they are different from you.

We are about to start treading on what many of the masses consider holy ground. and each belief structure interprets and reacts to the (I can only think to call it "invasion") of technology into their holy belief structure.

people are fanatical about their beliefs. and large groups of fanatics are dangerous to the cause as well as themselves and other groups. We may prevail, but I don't think it will be smooth.

the beliefs about suicide is a perfect example. there will always be the posibility of "the other side" after death. I doubt that is a boundry we will be able to open to two way traffic. So even for imortals, there may be a time when they wish to pass to the other side, for whatever reason. if death wont come to you on its own anymore. the choice to go see him must be respected. that simple debate has sparked before and will only get more heated as the line between yes and no becomes more defined by the posibilities.

Griffman

Re: How can this debate even exist?
posted on 05/06/2003 11:02 AM by Thomas Kristan

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So even for imortals, there may be a time when they wish to pass to the other side, for whatever reason.




Rule No. 7:

No one may take small loops with no exit. Death is the smallest possible loop, where nothing is going on. Therefore it's forbidden. As many even bigger are.

- Thomas

Re: How can this debate even exist?
posted on 05/06/2003 11:20 AM by subtillioN

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Rule No. 7:


What are these rules from? Can we have the rest?

Re: How can this debate even exist?
posted on 05/06/2003 1:11 PM by Thomas Kristan

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CODEX rules:

1) All sentients have to have the same amount of resources.

2) No significant pain or discomfort of any kind is allowed.

3) No asentient (sentients unrelated) goals are permitted.

4) All uncontrolled evolutions are forbidden.

5) All the matter and energy available must be stored for the future use.

6) Painless deconstruction must be started, as soon as safety is endangered above some predeterminated threshold.

7) The minimum complexity is required. No one may take small (simple) loops. Like a monochromatic bliss or death.

8) Nothing may be changed in this CODEX after 1.1. 2010.

;-)

- Thomas

Re: How can this debate even exist?
posted on 05/06/2003 1:20 PM by subtillioN

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CODEX rules:


Who is the author, what is the work titled and where to find it? Is it a book, a website, a broadway musical, an opera, an epic poem, or what?

=)

Re: How can this debate even exist?
posted on 05/06/2003 1:27 PM by Thomas Kristan

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It's only my point of view. :-)

- Thomas

Re: How can this debate even exist?
posted on 05/06/2003 1:31 PM by subtillioN

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It's only my point of view. :-)


I like it.

Re: How can this debate even exist?
posted on 05/06/2003 1:39 PM by Thomas Kristan

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I am glad, you like it.

But it's still open for suggestions. It remain to be so for 6 years, if we don't change that.

- Thomas

Re: How can this debate even exist?
posted on 05/06/2003 1:57 PM by subtillioN

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I am glad, you like it.

But it's still open for suggestions. It remain to be so for 6 years, if we don't change that.


I really like the wording of 7 and the concept of 'loops'. The one item that scares me, though I can see its necessity, is number 4. My hope is that the defense mechanisms of the individual will be robust enough to nullify the need for strict control of evolution.

What do you think?

Re: How can this debate even exist?
posted on 05/06/2003 3:12 PM by blue_is_not_a_number

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8) Nothing may be changed in this CODEX after 1.1. 2010.


Since this gives us almost 7 years to play with, here a proposal to combine the first 7 rules into a single one (for purposes of efficiency, not for simplicity) :

CODEX rule#1: It must be encodable in binary form.

(The "once and for all" rule)

Greetings,
Blue

Re: How can this debate even exist?
posted on 05/07/2003 2:06 AM by JoeFrat

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I understand 1, 2 and 5, but what do the other rules mean? Would you explain further please?