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    Facing Up to the Problem of Consciousness
by   David Chalmers

The vague term "consciousness" poses the most baffling problems in the science of the mind. Philosopher David Chalmers presents a nonreductive theory of consciousness based on principles of structural coherence (tied to awareness) and organizational invariance (e.g., a silicon isomorph of a human can be conscious) and a double-aspect view of information (physical and phenomenal aspects).


Published on KurzweilAI.net August 17, 2002

[This appeared in the Journal of Consciousness Studies in 1995. Also online is my response, "Moving Forward on the problem of Consciousness," to 26 articles commenting on this paper. That paper elaborates and extends many of the ideas in this one. -- David Chalmers]

1 Introduction

Consciousness poses the most baffling problems in the science of the mind. There is nothing that we know more intimately than conscious experience, but there is nothing that is harder to explain. All sorts of mental phenomena have yielded to scientific investigation in recent years, but consciousness has stubbornly resisted. Many have tried to explain it, but the explanations always seem to fall short of the target. Some have been led to suppose that the problem is intractable, and that no good explanation can be given.

To make progress on the problem of consciousness, we have to confront it directly. In this paper, I first isolate the truly hard part of the problem, separating it from more tractable parts and giving an account of why it is so difficult to explain. I critique some recent work that uses reductive methods to address consciousness, and argue that such methods inevitably fail to come to grips with the hardest part of the problem. Once this failure is recognized, the door to further progress is opened. In the second half of the paper, I argue that if we move to a new kind of nonreductive explanation, a naturalistic account of consciousness can be given. I put forward my own candidate for such an account: a nonreductive theory based on principles of structural coherence and organizational invariance and a double-aspect view of information.

2 The easy problems and the hard problem

There is not just one problem of consciousness. "Consciousness" is an ambiguous term, referring to many different phenomena. Each of these phenomena needs to be explained, but some are easier to explain than others. At the start, it is useful to divide the associated problems of consciousness into "hard" and "easy" problems. The easy problems of consciousness are those that seem directly susceptible to the standard methods of cognitive science, whereby a phenomenon is explained in terms of computational or neural mechanisms. The hard problems are those that seem to resist those methods.

The easy problems of consciousness include those of explaining the following phenomena:

  • the ability to discriminate, categorize, and react to environmental stimuli;
  • the integration of information by a cognitive system;
  • the reportability of mental states;
  • the ability of a system to access its own internal states;
  • the focus of attention;
  • the deliberate control of behavior;
  • the difference between wakefulness and sleep.

All of these phenomena are associated with the notion of consciousness. For example, one sometimes says that a mental state is conscious when it is verbally reportable, or when it is internally accessible. Sometimes a system is said to be conscious of some information when it has the ability to react on the basis of that information, or, more strongly, when it attends to that information, or when it can integrate that information and exploit it in the sophisticated control of behavior. We sometimes say that an action is conscious precisely when it is deliberate. Often, we say that an organism is conscious as another way of saying that it is awake.

There is no real issue about whether these phenomena can be explained scientifically. All of them are straightforwardly vulnerable to explanation in terms of computational or neural mechanisms. To explain access and reportability, for example, we need only specify the mechanism by which information about internal states is retrieved and made available for verbal report. To explain the integration of information, we need only exhibit mechanisms by which information is brought together and exploited by later processes. For an account of sleep and wakefulness, an appropriate neurophysiological account of the processes responsible for organisms' contrasting behavior in those states will suffice. In each case, an appropriate cognitive or neurophysiological model can clearly do the explanatory work.

If these phenomena were all there was to consciousness, then consciousness would not be much of a problem. Although we do not yet have anything close to a complete explanation of these phenomena, we have a clear idea of how we might go about explaining them. This is why I call these problems the easy problems. Of course, "easy" is a relative term. Getting the details right will probably take a century or two of difficult empirical work. Still, there is every reason to believe that the methods of cognitive science and neuroscience will succeed.

The really hard problem of consciousness is the problem of experience. When we think and perceive, there is a whir of information-processing, but there is also a subjective aspect. As Nagel (1974) has put it, there is something it is like to be a conscious organism. This subjective aspect is experience. When we see, for example, we experience visual sensations: the felt quality of redness, the experience of dark and light, the quality of depth in a visual field. Other experiences go along with perception in different modalities: the sound of a clarinet, the smell of mothballs. Then there are bodily sensations, from pains to orgasms; mental images that are conjured up internally; the felt quality of emotion, and the experience of a stream of conscious thought. What unites all of these states is that there is something it is like to be in them. All of them are states of experience.

It is undeniable that some organisms are subjects of experience. But the question of how it is that these systems are subjects of experience is perplexing. Why is it that when our cognitive systems engage in visual and auditory information-processing, we have visual or auditory experience: the quality of deep blue, the sensation of middle C? How can we explain why there is something it is like to entertain a mental image, or to experience an emotion? It is widely agreed that experience arises from a physical basis, but we have no good explanation of why and how it so arises. Why should physical processing give rise to a rich inner life at all? It seems objectively unreasonable that it should, and yet it does.

If any problem qualifies as the problem of consciousness, it is this one. In this central sense of "consciousness," an organism is conscious if there is something it is like to be that organism, and a mental state is conscious if there is something it is like to be in that state. Sometimes terms such as "phenomenal consciousness" and "qualia" are also used here, but I find it more natural to speak of "conscious experience" or simply "experience." Another useful way to avoid confusion (used by e.g. Newell 1990, Chalmers 1996) is to reserve the term "consciousness" for the phenomena of experience, using the less loaded term "awareness" for the more straightforward phenomena described earlier. If such a convention were widely adopted, communication would be much easier; as things stand, those who talk about "consciousness" are frequently talking past each other.

The ambiguity of the term "consciousness" is often exploited by both philosophers and scientists writing on the subject. It is common to see a paper on consciousness begin with an invocation of the mystery of consciousness, noting the strange intangibility and ineffability of subjectivity, and worrying that so far we have no theory of the phenomenon. Here, the topic is clearly the hard problem - the problem of experience. In the second half of the paper, the tone becomes more optimistic, and the author's own theory of consciousness is outlined. Upon examination, this theory turns out to be a theory of one of the more straightforward phenomena - of reportability, of introspective access, or whatever. At the close, the author declares that consciousness has turned out to be tractable after all, but the reader is left feeling like the victim of a bait-and-switch. The hard problem remains untouched.

3 Functional explanation

Why are the easy problems easy, and why is the hard problem hard? The easy problems are easy precisely because they concern the explanation of cognitive abilities and functions. To explain a cognitive function, we need only specify a mechanism that can perform the function. The methods of cognitive science are well-suited for this sort of explanation, and so are well-suited to the easy problems of consciousness. By contrast, the hard problem is hard precisely because it is not a problem about the performance of functions. The problem persists even when the performance of all the relevant functions is explained. (Here "function" is not used in the narrow teleological sense of something that a system is designed to do, but in the broader sense of any causal role in the production of behavior that a system might perform.)

To explain reportability, for instance, is just to explain how a system could perform the function of producing reports on internal states. To explain internal access, we need to explain how a system could be appropriately affected by its internal states and use information about those states in directing later processes. To explain integration and control, we need to explain how a system's central processes can bring information contents together and use them in the facilitation of various behaviors. These are all problems about the explanation of functions.

How do we explain the performance of a function? By specifying a mechanism that performs the function. Here, neurophysiological and cognitive modeling are perfect for the task. If we want a detailed low-level explanation, we can specify the neural mechanism that is responsible for the function. If we want a more abstract explanation, we can specify a mechanism in computational terms. Either way, a full and satisfying explanation will result. Once we have specified the neural or computational mechanism that performs the function of verbal report, for example, the bulk of our work in explaining reportability is over.

In a way, the point is trivial. It is a conceptual fact about these phenomena that their explanation only involves the explanation of various functions, as the phenomena are functionally definable. All it means for reportability to be instantiated in a system is that the system has the capacity for verbal reports of internal information. All it means for a system to be awake is for it to be appropriately receptive to information from the environment and for it to be able to use this information in directing behavior in an appropriate way. To see that this sort of thing is a conceptual fact, note that someone who says "you have explained the performance of the verbal report function, but you have not explained reportability" is making a trivial conceptual mistake about reportability. All it could possibly take to explain reportability is an explanation of how the relevant function is performed; the same goes for the other phenomena in question.

Throughout the higher-level sciences, reductive explanation works in just this way. To explain the gene, for instance, we needed to specify the mechanism that stores and transmits hereditary information from one generation to the next. It turns out that DNA performs this function; once we explain how the function is performed, we have explained the gene. To explain life, we ultimately need to explain how a system can reproduce, adapt to its environment, metabolize, and so on. All of these are questions about the performance of functions, and so are well-suited to reductive explanation. The same holds for most problems in cognitive science. To explain learning, we need to explain the way in which a system's behavioral capacities are modified in light of environmental information, and the way in which new information can be brought to bear in adapting a system's actions to its environment. If we show how a neural or computational mechanism does the job, we have explained learning. We can say the same for other cognitive phenomena, such as perception, memory, and language. Sometimes the relevant functions need to be characterized quite subtly, but it is clear that insofar as cognitive science explains these phenomena at all, it does so by explaining the performance of functions.

When it comes to conscious experience, this sort of explanation fails. What makes the hard problem hard and almost unique is that it goes beyond problems about the performance of functions. To see this, note that even when we have explained the performance of all the cognitive and behavioral functions in the vicinity of experience - perceptual discrimination, categorization, internal access, verbal report - there may still remain a further unanswered question: Why is the performance of these functions accompanied by experience? A simple explanation of the functions leaves this question open.

There is no analogous further question in the explanation of genes, or of life, or of learning. If someone says "I can see that you have explained how DNA stores and transmits hereditary information from one generation to the next, but you have not explained how it is a gene," then they are making a conceptual mistake. All it means to be a gene is to be an entity that performs the relevant storage and transmission function. But if someone says "I can see that you have explained how information is discriminated, integrated, and reported, but you have not explained how it is experienced," they are not making a conceptual mistake. This is a nontrivial further question.

This further question is the key question in the problem of consciousness. Why doesn't all this information-processing go on "in the dark," free of any inner feel? Why is it that when electromagnetic waveforms impinge on a retina and are discriminated and categorized by a visual system, this discrimination and categorization is experienced as a sensation of vivid red? We know that conscious experience does arise when these functions are performed, but the very fact that it arises is the central mystery. There is an explanatory gap (a term due to Levine 1983) between the functions and experience, and we need an explanatory bridge to cross it. A mere account of the functions stays on one side of the gap, so the materials for the bridge must be found elsewhere.

This is not to say that experience has no function. Perhaps it will turn out to play an important cognitive role. But for any role it might play, there will be more to the explanation of experience than a simple explanation of the function. Perhaps it will even turn out that in the course of explaining a function, we will be led to the key insight that allows an explanation of experience. If this happens, though, the discovery will be an extra explanatory reward. There is no cognitive function such that we can say in advance that explanation of that function will automatically explain experience.

To explain experience, we need a new approach. The usual explanatory methods of cognitive science and neuroscience do not suffice. These methods have been developed precisely to explain the performance of cognitive functions, and they do a good job of it. But as these methods stand, they are only equipped to explain the performance of functions. When it comes to the hard problem, the standard approach has nothing to say.

4 Some case-studies

In the last few years, a number of works have addressed the problems of consciousness within the framework of cognitive science and neuroscience. This might suggest that the analysis above is faulty, but in fact a close examination of the relevant work only lends the analysis further support. When we investigate just which aspects of consciousness these studies are aimed at, and which aspects they end up explaining, we find that the ultimate target of explanation is always one of the easy problems. I will illustrate this with two representative examples.

The first is the "neurobiological theory of consciousness" outlined by Crick and Koch (1990; see also Crick 1994). This theory centers on certain 35-75 hertz neural oscillations in the cerebral cortex; Crick and Koch hypothesize that these oscillations are the basis of consciousness. This is partly because the oscillations seem to be correlated with awareness in a number of different modalities - within the visual and olfactory systems, for example - and also because they suggest a mechanism by which the binding of information contents might be achieved. Binding is the process whereby separately represented pieces of information about a single entity are brought together to be used by later processing, as when information about the color and shape of a perceived object is integrated from separate visual pathways. Following others (e.g., Eckhorn et al 1988), Crick and Koch hypothesize that binding may be achieved by the synchronized oscillations of neuronal groups representing the relevant contents. When two pieces of information are to be bound together, the relevant neural groups will oscillate with the same frequency and phase.

The details of how this binding might be achieved are still poorly understood, but suppose that they can be worked out. What might the resulting theory explain? Clearly it might explain the binding of information contents, and perhaps it might yield a more general account of the integration of information in the brain. Crick and Koch also suggest that these oscillations activate the mechanisms of working memory, so that there may be an account of this and perhaps other forms of memory in the distance. The theory might eventually lead to a general account of how perceived information is bound and stored in memory, for use by later processing.

Such a theory would be valuable, but it would tell us nothing about why the relevant contents are experienced. Crick and Koch suggest that these oscillations are the neural correlates of experience. This claim is arguable - does not binding also take place in the processing of unconscious information? - but even if it is accepted, the explanatory question remains: Why do the oscillations give rise to experience? The only basis for an explanatory connection is the role they play in binding and storage, but the question of why binding and storage should themselves be accompanied by experience is never addressed. If we do not know why binding and storage should give rise to experience, telling a story about the oscillations cannot help us. Conversely, if we knew why binding and storage gave rise to experience, the neurophysiological details would be just the icing on the cake. Crick and Koch's theory gains its purchase by assuming a connection between binding and experience, and so can do nothing to explain that link.

I do not think that Crick and Koch are ultimately claiming to address the hard problem, although some have interpreted them otherwise. A published interview with Koch gives a clear statement of the limitations on the theory's ambitions.

Well, let's first forget about the really difficult aspects, like subjective feelings, for they may not have a scientific solution. The subjective state of play, of pain, of pleasure, of seeing blue, of smelling a rose - there seems to be a huge jump between the materialistic level, of explaining molecules and neurons, and the subjective level. Let's focus on things that are easier to study - like visual awareness. You're now talking to me, but you're not looking at me, you're looking at the cappuccino, and so you are aware of it. You can say, `It's a cup and there's some liquid in it.' If I give it to you, you'll move your arm and you'll take it - you'll respond in a meaningful manner. That's what I call awareness." ("What is Consciousness," Discover, November 1992, p. 96.)

The second example is an approach at the level of cognitive psychology. This is Baars' global workspace theory of consciousness, presented in his book A Cognitive Theory of Consciousness. According to this theory, the contents of consciousness are contained in a global workspace, a central processor used to mediate communication between a host of specialized nonconscious processors. When these specialized processors need to broadcast information to the rest of the system, they do so by sending this information to the workspace, which acts as a kind of communal blackboard for the rest of the system, accessible to all the other processors.

Baars uses this model to address many aspects of human cognition, and to explain a number of contrasts between conscious and unconscious cognitive functioning. Ultimately, however, it is a theory of cognitive accessibility, explaining how it is that certain information contents are widely accessible within a system, as well as a theory of informational integration and reportability. The theory shows promise as a theory of awareness, the functional correlate of conscious experience, but an explanation of experience itself is not on offer.

One might suppose that according to this theory, the contents of experience are precisely the contents of the workspace. But even if this is so, nothing internal to the theory explains why the information within the global workspace is experienced. The best the theory can do is to say that the information is experienced because it is globally accessible. But now the question arises in a different form: why should global accessibility give rise to conscious experience? As always, this bridging question is unanswered.

Almost all work taking a cognitive or neuroscientific approach to consciousness in recent years could be subjected to a similar critique. The "Neural Darwinism" model of Edelman (1989), for instance, addresses questions about perceptual awareness and the self-concept, but says nothing about why there should also be experience. The "multiple drafts" model of Dennett (1991) is largely directed at explaining the reportability of certain mental contents. The "intermediate level" theory of Jackendoff (1988) provides an account of some computational processes that underlie consciousness, but Jackendoff stresses that the question of how these "project" into conscious experience remains mysterious.

Researchers using these methods are often inexplicit about their attitudes to the problem of conscious experience, although sometimes they take a clear stand. Even among those who are clear about it, attitudes differ widely. In placing this sort of work with respect to the problem of experience, a number of different strategies are available. It would be useful if these strategic choices were more often made explicit.

The first strategy is simply to explain something else. Some researchers are explicit that the problem of experience is too difficult for now, and perhaps even outside the domain of science altogether. These researchers instead choose to address one of the more tractable problems such as reportability or the self-concept. Although I have called these problems the "easy" problems, they are among the most interesting unsolved problems in cognitive science, so this work is certainly worthwhile. The worst that can be said of this choice is that in the context of research on consciousness it is relatively unambitious, and the work can sometimes be misinterpreted.

The second choice is to take a harder line and deny the phenomenon. (Variations on this approach are taken by Allport 1988, Dennett 1991, and Wilkes 1988.) According to this line, once we have explained the functions such as accessibility, reportability, and the like, there is no further phenomenon called "experience" to explain. Some explicitly deny the phenomenon, holding for example that what is not externally verifiable cannot be real. Others achieve the same effect by allowing that experience exists, but only if we equate "experience" with something like the capacity to discriminate and report. These approaches lead to a simpler theory, but are ultimately unsatisfactory. Experience is the most central and manifest aspect of our mental lives, and indeed is perhaps the key explanandum in the science of the mind. Because of this status as an explanandum, experience cannot be discarded like the vital spirit when a new theory comes along. Rather, it is the central fact that any theory of consciousness must explain. A theory that denies the phenomenon "solves" the problem by ducking the question.

In a third option, some researchers claim to be explaining experience in the full sense. These researchers (unlike those above) wish to take experience very seriously; they lay out their functional model or theory, and claim that it explains the full subjective quality of experience (e.g. Flohr 1992, Humphrey 1992). The relevant step in the explanation is usually passed over quickly, however, and usually ends up looking something like magic. After some details about information processing are given, experience suddenly enters the picture, but it is left obscure how these processes should suddenly give rise to experience. Perhaps it is simply taken for granted that it does, but then we have an incomplete explanation and a version of the fifth strategy below.

A fourth, more promising approach appeals to these methods to explain the structure of experience. For example, it is arguable that an account of the discriminations made by the visual system can account for the structural relations between different color experiences, as well as for the geometric structure of the visual field (see e.g., Clark 1992 and Hardin 1992). In general, certain facts about structures found in processing will correspond to and arguably explain facts about the structure of experience. This strategy is plausible but limited. At best, it takes the existence of experience for granted and accounts for some facts about its structure, providing a sort of nonreductive explanation of the structural aspects of experience (I will say more on this later). This is useful for many purposes, but it tells us nothing about why there should be experience in the first place.

A fifth and reasonable strategy is to isolate the substrate of experience. After all, almost everyone allows that experience arises one way or another from brain processes, and it makes sense to identify the sort of process from which it arises. Crick and Koch put their work forward as isolating the neural correlate of consciousness, for example, and Edelman (1989) and Jackendoff (1988) make related claims. Justification of these claims requires a careful theoretical analysis, especially as experience is not directly observable in experimental contexts, but when applied judiciously this strategy can shed indirect light on the problem of experience. Nevertheless, the strategy is clearly incomplete. For a satisfactory theory, we need to know more than which processes give rise to experience; we need an account of why and how. A full theory of consciousness must build an explanatory bridge.

5 The extra ingredient

We have seen that there are systematic reasons why the usual methods of cognitive science and neuroscience fail to account for conscious experience. These are simply the wrong sort of methods: nothing that they give to us can yield an explanation. To account for conscious experience, we need an extra ingredient in the explanation. This makes for a challenge to those who are serious about the hard problem of consciousness: What is your extra ingredient, and why should that account for conscious experience?

There is no shortage of extra ingredients to be had. Some propose an injection of chaos and nonlinear dynamics. Some think that the key lies in nonalgorithmic processing. Some appeal to future discoveries in neurophysiology. Some suppose that the key to the mystery will lie at the level of quantum mechanics. It is easy to see why all these suggestions are put forward. None of the old methods work, so the solution must lie with something new. Unfortunately, these suggestions all suffer from the same old problems.

Nonalgorithmic processing, for example, is put forward by Penrose (1989; 1994) because of the role it might play in the process of conscious mathematical insight. The arguments about mathematics are controversial, but even if they succeed and an account of nonalgorithmic processing in the human brain is given, it will still only be an account of the functions involved in mathematical reasoning and the like. For a nonalgorithmic process as much as an algorithmic process, the question is left unanswered: why should this process give rise to experience? In answering this question, there is no special role for nonalgorithmic processing.

The same goes for nonlinear and chaotic dynamics. These might provide a novel account of the dynamics of cognitive functioning, quite different from that given by standard methods in cognitive science. But from dynamics, one only gets more dynamics. The question about experience here is as mysterious as ever. The point is even clearer for new discoveries in neurophysiology. These new discoveries may help us make significant progress in understanding brain function, but for any neural process we isolate, the same question will always arise. It is difficult to imagine what a proponent of new neurophysiology expects to happen, over and above the explanation of further cognitive functions. It is not as if we will suddenly discover a phenomenal glow inside a neuron!

Perhaps the most popular "extra ingredient" of all is quantum mechanics (e.g. Hameroff 1994). The attractiveness of quantum theories of consciousness may stem from a Law of Minimization of Mystery: consciousness is mysterious and quantum mechanics is mysterious, so maybe the two mysteries have a common source. Nevertheless, quantum theories of consciousness suffer from the same difficulties as neural or computational theories. Quantum phenomena have some remarkable functional properties, such as nondeterminism and nonlocality. It is natural to speculate that these properties may play some role in the explanation of cognitive functions, such as random choice and the integration of information, and this hypothesis cannot be ruled out a priori. But when it comes to the explanation of experience, quantum processes are in the same boat as any other. The question of why these processes should give rise to experience is entirely unanswered.

(One special attraction of quantum theories is the fact that on some interpretations of quantum mechanics, consciousness plays an active role in "collapsing" the quantum wave function. Such interpretations are controversial, but in any case they offer no hope of explaining consciousness in terms of quantum processes. Rather, these theories assume the existence of consciousness, and use it in the explanation of quantum processes. At best, these theories tell us something about a physical role that consciousness may play. They tell us nothing about how it arises.)

At the end of the day, the same criticism applies to any purely physical account of consciousness. For any physical process we specify there will be an unanswered question: Why should this process give rise to experience? Given any such process, it is conceptually coherent that it could be instantiated in the absence of experience. It follows that no mere account of the physical process will tell us why experience arises. The emergence of experience goes beyond what can be derived from physical theory.

Purely physical explanation is well-suited to the explanation of physical structures, explaining macroscopic structures in terms of detailed microstructural constituents; and it provides a satisfying explanation of the performance of functions, accounting for these functions in terms of the physical mechanisms that perform them. This is because a physical account can entail the facts about structures and functions: once the internal details of the physical account are given, the structural and functional properties fall out as an automatic consequence. But the structure and dynamics of physical processes yield only more structure and dynamics, so structures and functions are all we can expect these processes to explain. The facts about experience cannot be an automatic consequence of any physical account, as it is conceptually coherent that any given process could exist without experience. Experience may arise from the physical, but it is not entailed by the physical.

The moral of all this is that you can't explain conscious experience on the cheap. It is a remarkable fact that reductive methods - methods that explain a high-level phenomenon wholly in terms of more basic physical processes - work well in so many domains. In a sense, one can explain most biological and cognitive phenomena on the cheap, in that these phenomena are seen as automatic consequences of more fundamental processes. It would be wonderful if reductive methods could explain experience, too; I hoped for a long time that they might. Unfortunately, there are systematic reasons why these methods must fail. Reductive methods are successful in most domains because what needs explaining in those domains are structures and functions, and these are the kind of thing that a physical account can entail. When it comes to a problem over and above the explanation of structures and functions, these methods are impotent.

This might seem reminiscent of the vitalist claim that no physical account could explain life, but the cases are disanalogous. What drove vitalist skepticism was doubt about whether physical mechanisms could perform the many remarkable functions associated with life, such as complex adaptive behavior and reproduction. The conceptual claim that explanation of functions is what is needed was implicitly accepted, but lacking detailed knowledge of biochemical mechanisms, vitalists doubted whether any physical process could do the job and put forward the hypothesis of the vital spirit as an alternative explanation. Once it turned out that physical processes could perform the relevant functions, vitalist doubts melted away.

With experience, on the other hand, physical explanation of the functions is not in question. The key is instead the conceptual point that the explanation of functions does not suffice for the explanation of experience. This basic conceptual point is not something that further neuroscientific investigation will affect. In a similar way, experience is disanalogous to the élan vital. The vital spirit was put forward as an explanatory posit, in order to explain the relevant functions, and could therefore be discarded when those functions were explained without it. Experience is not an explanatory posit but an explanandum in its own right, and so is not a candidate for this sort of elimination.

It is tempting to note that all sorts of puzzling phenomena have eventually turned out to be explainable in physical terms. But each of these were problems about the observable behavior of physical objects, coming down to problems in the explanation of structures and functions. Because of this, these phenomena have always been the kind of thing that a physical account might explain, even if at some points there have been good reasons to suspect that no such explanation would be forthcoming. The tempting induction from these cases fails in the case of consciousness, which is not a problem about physical structures and functions. The problem of consciousness is puzzling in an entirely different way. An analysis of the problem shows us that conscious experience is just not the kind of thing that a wholly reductive account could succeed in explaining.

6 Nonreductive explanation

At this point some are tempted to give up, holding that we will never have a theory of conscious experience. McGinn (1989), for example, argues that the problem is too hard for our limited minds; we are "cognitively closed" with respect to the phenomenon. Others have argued that conscious experience lies outside the domain of scientific theory altogether.

I think this pessimism is premature. This is not the place to give up; it is the place where things get interesting. When simple methods of explanation are ruled out, we need to investigate the alternatives. Given that reductive explanation fails, nonreductive explanation is the natural choice.

Although a remarkable number of phenomena have turned out to be explicable wholly in terms of entities simpler than themselves, this is not universal. In physics, it occasionally happens that an entity has to be taken as fundamental. Fundamental entities are not explained in terms of anything simpler. Instead, one takes them as basic, and gives a theory of how they relate to everything else in the world. For example, in the nineteenth century it turned out that electromagnetic processes could not be explained in terms of the wholly mechanical processes that previous physical theories appealed to, so Maxwell and others introduced electromagnetic charge and electromagnetic forces as new fundamental components of a physical theory. To explain electromagnetism, the ontology of physics had to be expanded. New basic properties and basic laws were needed to give a satisfactory account of the phenomena.

Other features that physical theory takes as fundamental include mass and space-time. No attempt is made to explain these features in terms of anything simpler. But this does not rule out the possibility of a theory of mass or of space-time. There is an intricate theory of how these features interrelate, and of the basic laws they enter into. These basic principles are used to explain many familiar phenomena concerning mass, space, and time at a higher level.

I suggest that a theory of consciousness should take experience as fundamental. We know that a theory of consciousness requires the addition of something fundamental to our ontology, as everything in physical theory is compatible with the absence of consciousness. We might add some entirely new nonphysical feature, from which experience can be derived, but it is hard to see what such a feature would be like. More likely, we will take experience itself as a fundamental feature of the world, alongside mass, charge, and space-time. If we take experience as fundamental, then we can go about the business of constructing a theory of experience.

Where there is a fundamental property, there are fundamental laws. A nonreductive theory of experience will add new principles to the furniture of the basic laws of nature. These basic principles will ultimately carry the explanatory burden in a theory of consciousness. Just as we explain familiar high-level phenomena involving mass in terms of more basic principles involving mass and other entities, we might explain familiar phenomena involving experience in terms of more basic principles involving experience and other entities.

In particular, a nonreductive theory of experience will specify basic principles telling us how experience depends on physical features of the world. These psychophysical principles will not interfere with physical laws, as it seems that physical laws already form a closed system. Rather, they will be a supplement to a physical theory. A physical theory gives a theory of physical processes, and a psychophysical theory tells us how those processes give rise to experience. We know that experience depends on physical processes, but we also know that this dependence cannot be derived from physical laws alone. The new basic principles postulated by a nonreductive theory give us the extra ingredient that we need to build an explanatory bridge.

Of course, by taking experience as fundamental, there is a sense in which this approach does not tell us why there is experience in the first place. But this is the same for any fundamental theory. Nothing in physics tells us why there is matter in the first place, but we do not count this against theories of matter. Certain features of the world need to be taken as fundamental by any scientific theory. A theory of matter can still explain all sorts of facts about matter, by showing how they are consequences of the basic laws. The same goes for a theory of experience.

This position qualifies as a variety of dualism, as it postulates basic properties over and above the properties invoked by physics. But it is an innocent version of dualism, entirely compatible with the scientific view of the world. Nothing in this approach contradicts anything in physical theory; we simply need to add further bridging principles to explain how experience arises from physical processes. There is nothing particularly spiritual or mystical about this theory - its overall shape is like that of a physical theory, with a few fundamental entities connected by fundamental laws. It expands the ontology slightly, to be sure, but Maxwell did the same thing. Indeed, the overall structure of this position is entirely naturalistic, allowing that ultimately the universe comes down to a network of basic entities obeying simple laws, and allowing that there may ultimately be a theory of consciousness cast in terms of such laws. If the position is to have a name, a good choice might be naturalistic dualism.

If this view is right, then in some ways a theory of consciousness will have more in common with a theory in physics than a theory in biology. Biological theories involve no principles that are fundamental in this way, so biological theory has a certain complexity and messiness to it; but theories in physics, insofar as they deal with fundamental principles, aspire to simplicity and elegance. The fundamental laws of nature are part of the basic furniture of the world, and physical theories are telling us that this basic furniture is remarkably simple. If a theory of consciousness also involves fundamental principles, then we should expect the same. The principles of simplicity, elegance, and even beauty that drive physicists' search for a fundamental theory will also apply to a theory of consciousness.

(A technical note: Some philosophers argue that even though there is a conceptual gap between physical processes and experience, there need be no metaphysical gap, so that experience might in a certain sense still be physical (e.g. Hill 1991; Levine 1983; Loar 1990). Usually this line of argument is supported by an appeal to the notion of a posteriori necessity (Kripke 1980). I think that this position rests on a misunderstanding of a posteriori necessity, however, or else requires an entirely new sort of necessity that we have no reason to believe in; see Chalmers 1996 (also Jackson 1994 and Lewis 1994) for details. In any case, this position still concedes an explanatory gap between physical processes and experience. For example, the principles connecting the physical and the experiential will not be derivable from the laws of physics, so such principles must be taken as explanatorily fundamental. So even on this sort of view, the explanatory structure of a theory of consciousness will be much as I have described.)

7 Outline of a theory of consciousness

It is not too soon to begin work on a theory. We are already in a position to understand certain key facts about the relationship between physical processes and experience, and about the regularities that connect them. Once reductive explanation is set aside, we can lay those facts on the table so that they can play their proper role as the initial pieces in a nonreductive theory of consciousness, and as constraints on the basic laws that constitute an ultimate theory.

There is an obvious problem that plagues the development of a theory of consciousness, and that is the paucity of objective data. Conscious experience is not directly observable in an experimental context, so we cannot generate data about the relationship between physical processes and experience at will. Nevertheless, we all have access to a rich source of data in our own case. Many important regularities between experience and processing can be inferred from considerations about one's own experience. There are also good indirect sources of data from observable cases, as when one relies on the verbal report of a subject as an indication of experience. These methods have their limitations, but we have more than enough data to get a theory off the ground.

Philosophical analysis is also useful in getting value for money out of the data we have. This sort of analysis can yield a number of principles relating consciousness and cognition, thereby strongly constraining the shape of an ultimate theory. The method of thought-experimentation can also yield significant rewards, as we will see. Finally, the fact that we are searching for a fundamental theory means that we can appeal to such nonempirical constraints as simplicity, homogeneity, and the like in developing a theory. We must seek to systematize the information we have, to extend it as far as possible by careful analysis, and then make the inference to the simplest possible theory that explains the data while remaining a plausible candidate to be part of the fundamental furniture of the world.

Such theories will always retain an element of speculation that is not present in other scientific theories, because of the impossibility of conclusive intersubjective experimental tests. Still, we can certainly construct theories that are compatible with the data that we have, and evaluate them in comparison to each other. Even in the absence of intersubjective observation, there are numerous criteria available for the evaluation of such theories: simplicity, internal coherence, coherence with theories in other domains, the ability to reproduce the properties of experience that are familiar from our own case, and even an overall fit with the dictates of common sense. Perhaps there will be significant indeterminacies remaining even when all these constraints are applied, but we can at least develop plausible candidates. Only when candidate theories have been developed will we be able to evaluate them.

A nonreductive theory of consciousness will consist in a number of psychophysical principles, principles connecting the properties of physical processes to the properties of experience. We can think of these principles as encapsulating the way in which experience arises from the physical. Ultimately, these principles should tell us what sort of physical systems will have associated experiences, and for the systems that do, they should tell us what sort of physical properties are relevant to the emergence of experience, and just what sort of experience we should expect any given physical system to yield. This is a tall order, but there is no reason why we should not get started.

In what follows, I present my own candidates for the psychophysical principles that might go into a theory of consciousness. The first two of these are nonbasic principles - systematic connections between processing and experience at a relatively high level. These principles can play a significant role in developing and constraining a theory of consciousness, but they are not cast at a sufficiently fundamental level to qualify as truly basic laws. The final principle is my candidate for a basic principle that might form the cornerstone of a fundamental theory of consciousness. This final principle is particularly speculative, but it is the kind of speculation that is required if we are ever to have a satisfying theory of consciousness. I can present these principles only briefly here; I argue for them at much greater length in Chalmers (1996).


1. The principle of structural coherence. This is a principle of coherence between the structure of consciousness and the structure of awareness. Recall that "awareness" was used earlier to refer to the various functional phenomena that are associated with consciousness. I am now using it to refer to a somewhat more specific process in the cognitive underpinnings of experience. In particular, the contents of awareness are to be understood as those information contents that are accessible to central systems, and brought to bear in a widespread way in the control of behavior. Briefly put, we can think of awareness as direct availability for global control. To a first approximation, the contents of awareness are the contents that are directly accessible and potentially reportable, at least in a language-using system.

Awareness is a purely functional notion, but it is nevertheless intimately linked to conscious experience. In familiar cases, wherever we find consciousness, we find awareness. Wherever there is conscious experience, there is some corresponding information in the cognitive system that is available in the control of behavior, and available for verbal report. Conversely, it seems that whenever information is available for report and for global control, there is a corresponding conscious experience. Thus, there is a direct correspondence between consciousness and awareness.

The correspondence can be taken further. It is a central fact about experience that it has a complex structure. The visual field has a complex geometry, for instance. There are also relations of similarity and difference between experiences, and relations in such things as relative intensity. Every subject's experience can be at least partly characterized and decomposed in terms of these structural properties: similarity and difference relations, perceived location, relative intensity, geometric structure, and so on. It is also a central fact that to each of these structural features, there is a corresponding feature in the information-processing structure of awareness.

Take color sensations as an example. For every distinction between color experiences, there is a corresponding distinction in processing. The different phenomenal colors that we experience form a complex three-dimensional space, varying in hue, saturation, and intensity. The properties of this space can be recovered from information-processing considerations: examination of the visual systems shows that waveforms of light are discriminated and analyzed along three different axes, and it is this three-dimensional information that is relevant to later processing. The three-dimensional structure of phenomenal color space therefore corresponds directly to the three dimensional structure of visual awareness. This is precisely what we would expect. After all, every color distinction corresponds to some reportable information, and therefore to a distinction that is represented in the structure of processing.

In a more straightforward way, the geometric structure of the visual field is directly reflected in a structure that can be recovered from visual processing. Every geometric relation corresponds to something that can be reported and is therefore cognitively represented. If we were given only the story about information-processing in an agent's visual and cognitive system, we could not directly observe that agent's visual experiences, but we could nevertheless infer those experiences' structural properties.

In general, any information that is consciously experienced will also be cognitively represented. The fine-grained structure of the visual field will correspond to some fine-grained structure in visual processing. The same goes for experiences in other modalities, and even for nonsensory experiences. Internal mental images have geometric properties that are represented in processing. Even emotions have structural properties, such as relative intensity, that correspond directly to a structural property of processing; where there is greater intensity, we find a greater effect on later processes. In general, precisely because the structural properties of experience are accessible and reportable, those properties will be directly represented in the structure of awareness.

It is this isomorphism between the structures of consciousness and awareness that constitutes the principle of structural coherence. This principle reflects the central fact that even though cognitive processes do not conceptually entail facts about conscious experience, consciousness and cognition do not float free of one another but cohere in an intimate way.

This principle has its limits. It allows us to recover structural properties of experience from information-processing properties, but not all properties of experience are structural properties. There are properties of experience, such as the intrinsic nature of a sensation of red, that cannot be fully captured in a structural description. The very intelligibility of inverted spectrum scenarios, where experiences of red and green are inverted but all structural properties remain the same, show that structural properties constrain experience without exhausting it. Nevertheless, the very fact that we feel compelled to leave structural properties unaltered when we imagine experiences inverted between functionally identical systems shows how central the principle of structural coherence is to our conception of our mental lives. It is not a logically necessary principle, as after all we can imagine all the information processing occurring without any experience at all, but it is nevertheless a strong and familiar constraint on the psychophysical connection.

The principle of structural coherence allows for a very useful kind of indirect explanation of experience in terms of physical processes. For example, we can use facts about neural processing of visual information to indirectly explain the structure of color space. The facts about neural processing can entail and explain the structure of awareness; if we take the coherence principle for granted, the structure of experience will also be explained. Empirical investigation might even lead us to better understand the structure of awareness within a bat, shedding indirect light on Nagel's vexing question of what it is like to be a bat. This principle provides a natural interpretation of much existing work on the explanation of consciousness (e.g. Clark 1992 and Hardin 1992 on colors, and Akins 1993 on bats), although it is often appealed to inexplicitly. It is so familiar that it is taken for granted by almost everybody, and is a central plank in the cognitive explanation of consciousness.

The coherence between consciousness and awareness also allows a natural interpretation of work in neuroscience directed at isolating the substrate (or the neural correlate) of consciousness. Various specific hypotheses have been put forward. For example, Crick and Koch (1990) suggest that 40-Hz oscillations may be the neural correlate of consciousness, whereas Libet (1993) suggests that temporally-extended neural activity is central. If we accept the principle of coherence, the most direct physical correlate of consciousness is awareness: the process whereby information is made directly available for global control. The different specific hypotheses can be interpreted as empirical suggestions about how awareness might be achieved. For example, Crick and Koch suggest that 40-Hz oscillations are the gateway by which information is integrated into working memory and thereby made available to later processes. Similarly, it is natural to suppose that Libet's temporally extended activity is relevant precisely because only that sort of activity achieves global availability. The same applies to other suggested correlates such as the "global workspace" of Baars (1988), the "high-quality representations" of Farah (1994), and the "selector inputs to action systems" of Shallice (1972). All these can be seen as hypotheses about the mechanisms of awareness: the mechanisms that perform the function of making information directly available for global control.

Given the coherence between consciousness and awareness, it follows that a mechanism of awareness will itself be a correlate of conscious experience. The question of just which mechanisms in the brain govern global availability is an empirical one; perhaps there are many such mechanisms. But if we accept the coherence principle, we have reason to believe that the processes that explain awareness will at the same time be part of the basis of consciousness.


2. The principle of organizational invariance. This principle states that any two systems with the same fine-grained functional organization will have qualitatively identical experiences. If the causal patterns of neural organization were duplicated in silicon, for example, with a silicon chip for every neuron and the same patterns of interaction, then the same experiences would arise. According to this principle, what matters for the emergence of experience is not the specific physical makeup of a system, but the abstract pattern of causal interaction between its components. This principle is controversial, of course. Some (e.g. Searle 1980) have thought that consciousness is tied to a specific biology, so that a silicon isomorph of a human need not be conscious. I believe that the principle can be given significant support by the analysis of thought-experiments, however.

Very briefly: suppose (for the purposes of a reductio ad absurdum) that the principle is false, and that there could be two functionally isomorphic systems with different experiences. Perhaps only one of the systems is conscious, or perhaps both are conscious but they have different experiences. For the purposes of illustration, let us say that one system is made of neurons and the other of silicon, and that one experiences red where the other experiences blue. The two systems have the same organization, so we can imagine gradually transforming one into the other, perhaps replacing neurons one at a time by silicon chips with the same local function. We thus gain a spectrum of intermediate cases, each with the same organization, but with slightly different physical makeup and slightly different experiences. Along this spectrum, there must be two systems A and B between which we replace less than one tenth of the system, but whose experiences differ. These two systems are physically identical, except that a small neural circuit in A has been replaced by a silicon circuit in B.

The key step in the thought-experiment is to take the relevant neural circuit in A, and install alongside it a causally isomorphic silicon circuit, with a switch between the two. What happens when we flip the switch? By hypothesis, the system's conscious experiences will change; from red to blue, say, for the purposes of illustration. This follows from the fact that the system after the change is essentially a version of B, whereas before the change it is just A.

But given the assumptions, there is no way for the system to notice the changes! Its causal organization stays constant, so that all of its functional states and behavioral dispositions stay fixed. As far as the system is concerned, nothing unusual has happened. There is no room for the thought, "Hmm! Something strange just happened!." In general, the structure of any such thought must be reflected in processing, but the structure of processing remains constant here. If there were to be such a thought it must float entirely free of the system and would be utterly impotent to affect later processing. (If it affected later processing, the systems would be functionally distinct, contrary to hypothesis). We might even flip the switch a number of times, so that experiences of red and blue dance back and forth before the system's "inner eye." According to hypothesis, the system can never notice these "dancing qualia."

This I take to be a reductio of the original assumption. It is a central fact about experience, very familiar from our own case, that whenever experiences change significantly and we are paying attention, we can notice the change; if this were not to be the case, we would be led to the skeptical possibility that our experiences are dancing before our eyes all the time. This hypothesis has the same status as the possibility that the world was created five minutes ago: perhaps it is logically coherent, but it is not plausible. Given the extremely plausible assumption that changes in experience correspond to changes in processing, we are led to the conclusion that the original hypothesis is impossible, and that any two functionally isomorphic systems must have the same sort of experiences. To put it in technical terms, the philosophical hypotheses of "absent qualia" and "inverted qualia," while logically possible, are empirically and nomologically impossible.

(Some may worry that a silicon isomorph of a neural system might be impossible for technical reasons. That question is open. The invariance principle says only that if an isomorph is possible, then it will have the same sort of conscious experience.)

There is more to be said here, but this gives the basic flavor. Once again, this thought experiment draws on familiar facts about the coherence between consciousness and cognitive processing to yield a strong conclusion about the relation between physical structure and experience. If the argument goes through, we know that the only physical properties directly relevant to the emergence of experience are organizational properties. This acts as a further strong constraint on a theory of consciousness.


3. The double-aspect theory of information. The two preceding principles have been nonbasic principles. They involve high-level notions such as "awareness" and "organization," and therefore lie at the wrong level to constitute the fundamental laws in a theory of consciousness. Nevertheless, they act as strong constraints. What is further needed are basic principles that fit these constraints and that might ultimately explain them.

The basic principle that I suggest centrally involves the notion of information. I understand information in more or less the sense of Shannon (1948). Where there is information, there are information states embedded in an information space. An information space has a basic structure of difference relations between its elements, characterizing the ways in which different elements in a space are similar or different, possibly in complex ways. An information space is an abstract object, but following Shannon we can see information as physically embodied when there is a space of distinct physical states, the differences between which can be transmitted down some causal pathway. The states that are transmitted can be seen as themselves constituting an information space. To borrow a phrase from Bateson (1972), physical information is a difference that makes a difference.

The double-aspect principle stems from the observation that there is a direct isomorphism between certain physically embodied information spaces and certain phenomenal (or experiential) information spaces. From the same sort of observations that went into the principle of structural coherence, we can note that the differences between phenomenal states have a structure that corresponds directly to the differences embedded in physical processes; in particular, to those differences that make a difference down certain causal pathways implicated in global availability and control. That is, we can find the same abstract information space embedded in physical processing and in conscious experience.

This leads to a natural hypothesis: that information (or at least some information) has two basic aspects, a physical aspect and a phenomenal aspect. This has the status of a basic principle that might underlie and explain the emergence of experience from the physical. Experience arises by virtue of its status as one aspect of information, when the other aspect is found embodied in physical processing.

This principle is lent support by a number of considerations, which I can only outline briefly here. First, consideration of the sort of physical changes that correspond to changes in conscious experience suggests that such changes are always relevant by virtue of their role in constituting informational changes - differences within an abstract space of states that are divided up precisely according to their causal differences along certain causal pathways. Second, if the principle of organizational invariance is to hold, then we need to find some fundamental organizational property for experience to be linked to, and information is an organizational property par excellence. Third, this principle offers some hope of explaining the principle of structural coherence in terms of the structure present within information spaces. Fourth, analysis of the cognitive explanation of our judgments and claims about conscious experience - judgments that are functionally explainable but nevertheless deeply tied to experience itself - suggests that explanation centrally involves the information states embedded in cognitive processing. It follows that a theory based on information allows a deep coherence between the explanation of experience and the explanation of our judgments and claims about it.

Wheeler (1990) has suggested that information is fundamental to the physics of the universe. According to this "it from bit" doctrine, the laws of physics can be cast in terms of information, postulating different states that give rise to different effects without actually saying what those states are. It is only their position in an information space that counts. If so, then information is a natural candidate to also play a role in a fundamental theory of consciousness. We are led to a conception of the world on which information is truly fundamental, and on which it has two basic aspects, corresponding to the physical and the phenomenal features of the world.

Of course, the double-aspect principle is extremely speculative and is also underdetermined, leaving a number of key questions unanswered. An obvious question is whether all information has a phenomenal aspect. One possibility is that we need a further constraint on the fundamental theory, indicating just what sort of information has a phenomenal aspect. The other possibility is that there is no such constraint. If not, then experience is much more widespread than we might have believed, as information is everywhere. This is counterintuitive at first, but on reflection I think the position gains a certain plausibility and elegance. Where there is simple information processing, there is simple experience, and where there is complex information processing, there is complex experience. A mouse has a simpler information-processing structure than a human, and has correspondingly simpler experience; perhaps a thermostat, a maximally simple information processing structure, might have maximally simple experience? Indeed, if experience is truly a fundamental property, it would be surprising for it to arise only every now and then; most fundamental properties are more evenly spread. In any case, this is very much an open question, but I believe that the position is not as implausible as it is often thought to be.

Once a fundamental link between information and experience is on the table, the door is opened to some grander metaphysical speculation concerning the nature of the world. For example, it is often noted that physics characterizes its basic entities only extrinsically, in terms of their relations to other entities, which are themselves characterized extrinsically, and so on. The intrinsic nature of physical entities is left aside. Some argue that no such intrinsic properties exist, but then one is left with a world that is pure causal flux (a pure flow of information) with no properties for the causation to relate. If one allows that intrinsic properties exist, a natural speculation given the above is that the intrinsic properties of the physical - the properties that causation ultimately relates - are themselves phenomenal properties. We might say that phenomenal properties are the internal aspect of information. This could answer a concern about the causal relevance of experience - a natural worry, given a picture on which the physical domain is causally closed, and on which experience is supplementary to the physical. The informational view allows us to understand how experience might have a subtle kind of causal relevance in virtue of its status as the intrinsic nature of the physical. This metaphysical speculation is probably best ignored for the purposes of developing a scientific theory, but in addressing some philosophical issues it is quite suggestive.

8 Conclusion

The theory I have presented is speculative, but it is a candidate theory. I suspect that the principles of structural coherence and organizational invariance will be planks in any satisfactory theory of consciousness; the status of the double-aspect theory of information is less certain. Indeed, right now it is more of an idea than a theory. To have any hope of eventual explanatory success, it will have to be specified more fully and fleshed out into a more powerful form. Still, reflection on just what is plausible and implausible about it, on where it works and where it fails, can only lead to a better theory.

Most existing theories of consciousness either deny the phenomenon, explain something else, or elevate the problem to an eternal mystery. I hope to have shown that it is possible to make progress on the problem even while taking it seriously. To make further progress, we will need further investigation, more refined theories, and more careful analysis. The hard problem is a hard problem, but there is no reason to believe that it will remain permanently unsolved.[*]

*[[The arguments in this paper are presented in greater depth in my book The Conscious Mind (Oxford University Press, 1996). Thanks to Francis Crick, Peggy DesAutels, Matthew Elton, Liane Gabora, Christof Koch, Paul Rhodes, Gregg Rosenberg, and Sharon Wahl for their comments.]]

Further Reading

The problems of consciousness have been widely discussed in the recent philosophical literature. For some conceptual clarification of the various problems of consciousness, see Block 1995, Nelkin 1993, and Tye 1995. Those who have stressed the difficulties of explaining experience in physical terms include Hodgson 1988, Jackson 1982, Levine 1983, Lockwood 1989, McGinn 1989, Nagel 1974, Seager 1991, Searle 1991, Strawson 1994, and Velmans 1991, among others. Those who take a reductive approach include Churchland 1995, Clark 1992, Dennett 1991, Dretske 1995, Kirk 1994, Rosenthal 1996, and Tye 1995. There have not been many attempts to build detailed nonreductive theories in the literature, but see Hodgson 1988 and Lockwood 1989 for some thoughts in that direction. Two excellent collections of recent articles on consciousness are Block, Flanagan, and Güzeldere 1996 and Metzinger 1995.

Published in the Journal of Consciousness Studies in 1995. Reprinted with permission.

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I do not like the analogy between Maxwell adding to the fundemental forces of nature, and consciousness being added to the fundemental forces of nature (adding to the ontology). Maxwell's theories succeeded because we could MEASURE the forces involved. His was a purely mathematical derivation that was proven in the lab. If consciousness is some sort of force, it should be able to explained mathematically and should be able to be measured. This has not been done, and no serious porposals have been made to do it. There isn't even a staring point ot this endeavor.

Throw away the first 90% of the article and you finally get down to the nitty gritty of consciousness - information space and patterns of information. To me this is all that matters. By speculating on replacing neurons with silicon, and the consciousness of simpler animals and devices, the author neccessarily accepts that it is not a "special" force of nature but a pattern of information that can be reproduced by mathematical representation and understood by reference to basic physical laws.

Here is my theory of consciousness: I have a certain network of neurons that sit back and observe everything else that is going on in the brain and body. Not only does this supra-network of neurons recieve information by eletronic signals from nearby neurons, but also through electromanetic fields generated by other activity in the brain, and through chemical signals delivered by blood from other areas of the body. The combination of all these signals is congealed into "experience".

I feel that further study of the brain will reveal where this (or these) region(s) of the brain is(are). I know this may sound a lot like the Id, Ego and Super-Ego theory of the brain, but it makes a lot more sense to me than proposing some "new force" of nature.

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I do not like the analogy between Maxwell adding to the fundemental forces of nature, and consciousness being added to the fundemental forces of nature (adding to the ontology). Maxwell's theories succeeded because we could MEASURE the forces involved. His was a purely mathematical derivation that was proven in the lab. If consciousness is some sort of force, it should be able to explained mathematically and should be able to be measured. This has not been done, and no serious porposals have been made to do it. There isn't even a staring point ot this endeavor.

Throw away the first 90% of the article and you finally get down to the nitty gritty of consciousness - information space and patterns of information. To me this is all that matters. By speculating on replacing neurons with silicon, and the consciousness of simpler animals and devices, the author neccessarily accepts that it is not a "special" force of nature but a pattern of information that can be reproduced by mathematical representation and understood by reference to basic physical laws.

Here is my theory of consciousness: I have a certain network of neurons that sit back and observe everything else that is going on in the brain and body. Not only does this supra-network of neurons recieve information by eletronic signals from nearby neurons, but also through electromanetic fields generated by other activity in the brain, and through chemical signals delivered by blood from other areas of the body. The combination of all these signals is congealed into "experience".

I feel that further study of the brain will reveal where this (or these) region(s) of the brain is(are). I know this may sound a lot like the Id, Ego and Super-Ego theory of the brain, but it makes a lot more sense to me than proposing some "new force" of nature.

Re: Head Spinning
posted on 08/19/2002 11:01 AM by derecho@charter.net

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Sorry about the duplication. The first message has the wrong email address.

Re: Facing Up to the Problem of Consciousness
posted on 08/20/2002 4:23 PM by shai_op@netvision.net.il

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I believe the answer for the hard problem is not so hard, and is found in the following:

1. Image and Objects

By 'image' I call the overall content which is under our attention, at a given moment. This definition includes all data we sense, all thoughts we process, as well as all related data stored in our memory and being accessed at that specific moment. (The image therefore is not related to pictorial data only, but to various types of data, such as voice, smell, as well as ideas, feelings, thoughts.)

An image is composed of objects. An object can represent any portion of an image, and may be composed of other objects. For example, the table in front of us is an object, but each one of its legs can be another object. The picture hanging on the wall is an object, but each one of its details can an object as well. The question of the resolution depends on our attention. If our attention is given to each one of chair legs, then each one becomes an object in our mind. If we look at the picture but not for any specific detail, only the picture as a whole is an object for us.

Objects are stored in our memory, and are the elementary particles composing the memory, its building blocks.



2. Links

An 'object link' is a pointer from one object to another. An object is poiting another object if there is a certain relation between them. To this relation I call 'similarity'. If object A is similar to object B, a link is created by the brain. The similarity occurs if some of the components composing object A exist in B, or partially exists.

The brain tries to match every new object with the inventory of old objects stored in memory. Take for example the case where we perceive a face of a movie actor which seems familiar. After a few moments of fail attempts to recognize the face, the match is taking place (if we are lucky) with a great relief. The constant matching operation is therefore an essence of the brain (along with other essential functions). Think of a music which sounds familiar to you, but you can not recognize it . It is ineviatle for the brain not to try and look for a match with the inventory of music stored in your memory.

When a match takes place, both objects, the old and the new, are being updated with that link. If a new song reminds us an old music, both the song and the old music objects are updated, as a part of the activation process of the old music object. The links therefore is not an independent entity in the space of memory, but embedded within the objects.

The matching operation is not a trivial one. Take the example of solving a mathenatical problem. The process of thinking invloves various objects, but finding the appropriate links is the creative part.

Links has a 'degree of strenght' attribute, where high level of strength represent a closer relationship. The objects stored in memory are sorted according to several keys, enabling fast search and retrieval. The familiar face invokes a search with movies as a primary key, and faces with a secondary key, for example (or vice versa?)





3. Active Objects

By 'active objects' I refer to objects brought into our attention at a given moment, i.e belong to the current image. The image therefore is composed of active objects only. Active object can be a completely new object, brought to our attention as a result of an interaction with the external world via our senses, with our internal world via our feelings, thoughts, etc., or an old object activated from our memory storage. An old object can be activated therefore as a result of a match with a new object, or as a result of a link from another (already activated) old object. A third option would be an activation based on the degree of strength. Sometime an item pops into our attention from our memory without any reasonable association, or we start thinking of an item without any specific reason known to us. In that case, the object is activated because of its relative strength, i.e it is the object with the highest degree of strength for that moment.

The strength of objects gets updated continuously. Each link which is resolved and activates an existing object brings to an update of the object strength. The strength is also a function of the number of links associated with an object, the time passed since the object has been created, and then activated. If we appreciated someone, then what he said about us might be very meaningful and stored with a high degree of strength in our memory. If, after some time, we realise that the amount of appreciation was too high, the strength of that object would significantly decrease.

When an object becomes active, not all of its links are resolved. The links to the strongest objects are being resolved first. The links contain the information of the degree of strength of the objects they are pointing to, so a link does not have to be resolved first, and an object need not be activated first, in order to find out what is its strength. At every moment, the strongest link among all links of all active objects is being resolved. The next activated object (whether a new object or an existing one) will add its inventory of links to the current pool, from which the next strongest link will be resolved. I call this description the 'link resolution algorithm'.

The capacity of the active image is limitted. As long as objects are being activated and added to the image, other objects are dropped from the image. The object with the lowest degree of strength are dropped, and stored in memory.

A key point in the algorithm described below, is that there is no 'selector' that selects the active objects, and determines which links to resolve. There is no need for a manager, for an entity which exists on top of the objects, running the activation process. This is a major fact for the understanding of our consciousness.





4. Consciousness and Self Consciousness

An object that is presented in several images is our body. Our senses perceive our body as a part of the external world, creating a 'body' object. Since it appears again and again, the object becomes stronger, and pointed by a growing number of links. In fact, the body object is activated most of the time, taking a share in most of the temporary images. It becomes a 'framework' for all other objects, a kind of background. Our internal feelings that originate in our body, which also repeat themselves several times, are being added to the body object, enriching its content. The body object (I'll call it the self object) becomes the object with the highest level of strength, and with the largest amount of content, much higher and larger than all other objects.



Whenever the self object is part of the current image, along with another activated object X, we say that we are aware of X, or conscious of X. Consciousness is therefore a state of objects, the relation between the self object and other objects. Consciousness is not an observer, which exists on top of the objects. There is no such observer, because all entities are established as objects, and are all on the same level. The term image is misleading, there is no observer for the current image, for our current awareness. The self is not located above the objects, but aside of them. When we say 'I am conscious of X', that means the self object is conscios of X, that the self object has a relation to X object. The 'I' is the self object, there is no 'I' beyond that.

There are relations between many pairs of activated objects. But only the self object has the level of strength and amount of content that captures our attention.

The self object (as any other object) can initiate other operations, and activate other objects. In case the self is activating itself, as a subject of interest, we call this a self consciousness. Consciousness in general is a reflection, a relation from the self object to another object. In case of being conscious of X, the link is from the self object to X object. In case of self-consciousness, the link is from the self object to itself. END

Re: Facing Up to the Problem of Consciousness
posted on 08/20/2002 9:00 PM by azb@llnl.gov

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Shai_Op,

Perhaps we need to distinguish a "formal framework for consciousness" from the subjective sensation of consciousness. I am not sure which terms should apply to each, and whether the difference is one of degree or something more substantially "different".

Your image-object-linking framework is a fine formalism for approaching the organization of "AI-mind". The description you give could be (and I imagine, has been) codified in object-oriiented languages. In this respect, the "self-object" is the one holding and manipulating the current temporal "image", associates objects to one another, either from external stimuli or from memory, strengthens or weakens associations accordingly.

And if presented with "input" whose processing requires or "leads to" reference to the "self-object", a "self-referential link" is forged or strengthened withing the current image.

Ok. But all of this can be accomplished with a relatively small C++ or Java implementation, and when it runs, and happens to be "entertaining" the self-reference link, do you suppose that this ... "system" is experiencing "conscious awareness" as you or I might experience?

We have a nice clean formal description, and we can implement this in a model. So the system is "formally conscious" (by DEFINITION) when it is entertaining the self-reference link.

Is this the same as the "feeling of consciousness" (i.e., sentient consciousness)?

I think that this is the issue at hand.

Cheers! ____tony b____

Re: Facing Up to the Problem of Consciousness
posted on 08/20/2002 9:15 PM by azb@llnl.gov

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The Image-Object-Linking model "accounts" for consciousness (as a formalism) is much the way that the quark-model (MODEL) "accounts" for protons and neutrons and mesons, etc.

Even if accurate, I can make cardborad cut-outs of red, blue and green quarks of various flavors (up, down, strange) and arrange those "cardboard quarks" to correctly represent (cardboard) protons and neutrons.

But how "good" are my cardboard representations? Is it enough to manifest "just anything" that conforms to the model?

For cardboard quark-protons, I think not. For mere formal algorithmic modeling of consciousness or sentience, I think perhaps not again.

For a synthesis of algorithm and "materia" manifest as system, ... maybe.

Cheers! ____tony b____

Re: Facing Up to the Problem of Consciousness
posted on 08/22/2002 3:59 AM by shai_op@netvision.net.il

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Tony,
What is needed for the system to be conscious, in addition to the C++ implementation, is the content itself. The huge amount of objects, the relations and the references, and the repetition of some of the objects, so the self object is being created, as I explained. This is the more difficult part..

Re: Facing Up to the Problem of Consciousness
posted on 08/22/2002 6:43 AM by wclary5424@aol.com

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Shai..

Your idea is actually quite similar to an explanation for the mind worked out by one of the pre-Socratic Greek philosophers 2500 years ago. (although he didn't put it in terms of object-oriented programming, obviously.) I can't remember which one it was...Zeno maybe (?)
Anyway, I don't think it answers all the questions about consciousness. For instance, is it possible for us to be aware of something without being conscious of it? This is not just semantics--I've seen research which indicates our body responds to possible danger before we consciously realize what's happening. We have all had the sensation of going on autopilot while doing some routine task...or while driving on the highway. The French existentialist philosopher Sartre gave an example of a man counting the contents of a pack of cigarettes...the task is so boring that the man does it without any thought..until a friend comes up and asks him what he is doing....at that moment, the task comes back into his conscious mind, although, at some level, he was aware of it all the time.
There seems to be several different subroutines operating in the brain at a time. As you indicate, the self-conscious observer is not somehow above and over the rest of the mind, but it is much harder to model than a simple hierarchy of objects.
Although I think that the metaphysical superstructure of Buddhism is quite possibly bogus, one can come to a better understanding of just how complex the conscious mind is by engaging in zazen or another meditative practice regularly. I have yet to see an AI proposal which is subtle enough to deal with all of this--although I would not say that such a program is impossible...just a little farther away than many of us would like.

BC

Re: Facing Up to the Problem of Consciousness
posted on 08/22/2002 10:50 AM by grantc4@hotmail.com

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>is it possible for us to be aware of something without being conscious of it?

SEEING WHAT YOU DON'T SEE?

Following certain kinds of brain lesions, patients report an inability to see objects, but if pressed to guess at their location they display a capacity to point at them with reasonable accuracy. The phenomenon, called "blindsight", is one of the more dramatic of a number of lines of evidence suggesting that being aware of doing something is distinguishable from doing something, that areas of the brain underlying the experience of doing at least some things are distinct from those needed to actually do those things.

Such a dissociation has a number of interesting implications. In a general sense, it provides evidence for the existence and significance of an "unconscious" as a contributor to human behavior (and hence for "consciousness" as distinctive part rather than synomous with the totality of brain function). Blindsight also provides a possible explanation for some experiences of "magical" or "transcendent" abilities, at least insofar as these relate to performance characteristics of individuals for which the individuals themselves cannot account. A dissociation between unconscious and conscious processing is also of significance in an educational context, since the two sorts of processing may acquire, process, and make use of experiences in different ways.

Blindsight - the ability to respond appropriately to visual inputs while lacking the feeling of having seen them - might be something which only occurs in cases of brain damage, but seems much more likely to be a significant phenomenon of intact brain function as well. Indeed, it seems likely that blindsight (and similar phenomena in other spheres) is an important ingredient of of a variety of activities where one wants to move quickly and appropriately, without "thinking about it".

Re: Facing Up to the Problem of Consciousness
posted on 08/22/2002 4:10 PM by azb@llnl.gov

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I think much (1/2 ?) of the confusion is that the single term "consciousness" is standing-in for too many "related things".

As I wrote much earlier, if I am exploring a cave, and a "tiger" in the distance makes a growling sound, it might not be "loud enough" that I "consciously" sit up and take notice. But the sound still reached my ears, and some part of my neural system "took notice", and as part of its evolved response to such a sound, might start a bit of additional adrenaline flowing through my system, causing my heart to speed up, etc.

I might then become "consciously aware" that my "nervousness" has increased, yet I do not know the exact reason. I might just suddenly feel "spooked".

Another distinction, (perhaps impossible to resolve except, as John B might argue, from "reasonableness") is whether a system with a formal "self-concept" exercised in the course of information processing is ever "feeling conscious" the way you or I experience the feeling. This was my question to Shai_op. The system of "Image-Object-Links", and the growing accumulation of relationships that serve to bolster the "self-concept" may well give rise to an intelligence that "functionally acts as a conscious being". But this is perhaps not the same as "feeling awake" as we experience consciousness.

Thus, we have three (roughly) separable things that might be referred to when someone says "conciousness".

1. The formal "has a programmatic concept of self".

To understand why I feel this is inadequate, Imagine a sophisticated object-oriented software system that is exposed to external "objects" and can access and create new "internal" objects, including the "self-onject", and update link-relations in strengths, etc. All of this is running on a Pentium processsor.

Why not just eliminate the Pentium processor, and conduct all the operations on paper, with crayons? Give me a new object, I seek into "memory" (stack of paper) for related objects, use an abacus to calculate a revised "linkage strength", take out a crayon and update the cell that maintains the "strength" of that link, etc.

The overall system MIGHT behave consistent with having a true self-concept, and indeed, it would thus possess such a "working concept". But MUST the system possess "subjective feeling of awareness" just by this formalism?

Put more simply, note that my "formalism with paper and crayons" involves no "electricity" (per se).

I wonder to what degree the parallel between "neural-electric" and "transistor-electric" lends me to feel that consciousness-feeling must involve a physical "charge-dynamic", which would be lacking in the "pure-paper-analogy".

2. The Human(-like) Conscious Waking State

3. The Human(-like) Subconscious Autonomous State

If we continually confuse these three things, at the outset, by referring to them all as "consciousness", we will get into endless misunderstandings. Better to find three separate names, explore those carefully, and if it turns out that the distinction (in some ways) is needless, let that be a conclusion.

Cheers! ____tony b____

Re: Facing Up to the Problem of Consciousness
posted on 12/12/2002 9:08 PM by AZ

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>Why not just eliminate the Pentium processor, and >conduct all the operations on paper, with crayons? >Give me a new object, I seek into "memory" (stack >of paper) for related objects, use an abacus to >calculate a revised "linkage strength", take out a >crayon and update the cell that maintains the >"strength" of that link, etc.

>The overall system MIGHT behave consistent with >having a true self-concept, and indeed, it would >thus possess such a "working concept". But MUST the >system possess "subjective feeling of awareness" >just by this formalism?

Please do tell me WHY NOT?

Re: Facing Up to the Problem of Consciousness
posted on 12/13/2002 2:28 AM by tony_b

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AZ,

I don't know, one way or another, of course.

My diatribe just intends to point out that "we chemical things", having advanced to the point of thoughts where "formal symbol logic" can be "recognized" (perhaps more accurately, constructed), and we employ it so thoroughly in our logical/rational lives, that we begin to use it to "approximate" the analog, the fuzzy, the less-than-Boolean world. Oddly, "logical thought" seems to be nature's latest (most advanced) development, and yet as we embark upon the creation of thinking machines, it turns out to be the easiest to emulate.

Far easier to program software to calculate the "logical deductions" (A > B, and B > C, thus A > C) which humans have only recently formalized, than to program it to appreciate nuances of humor, or the joy of a summer breeze.

The question is whether our human ability to have such appreciations is, in part, due to the physical nature of our construction (chemicals, etc., and of course the complexity of our form), or is it merely the complexity?

Are we akin, purely, to software running on (interchangeable) hardware, or are we the hardware as well? Are the varying ion-concentrations at our neural synaptic sites critical to our (subjective) "feeling of the world", or would an equivalent complexity of glass marbles shifting between chutes in a large glass machine engender the same subjective sensations of "feeling"?

I don't know, one way or the other. But I don't think the answer is arrived at easily, either.

Cheers! ____tony b____

Re: Facing Up to the Problem of Consciousness
posted on 09/16/2007 4:50 AM by BeAfraid

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[quote}Are we akin, purely, to software running on (interchangeable) hardware, or are we the hardware as well? Are the varying ion-concentrations at our neural synaptic sites critical to our (subjective) "feeling of the world", or would an equivalent complexity of glass marbles shifting between chutes in a large glass machine engender the same subjective sensations of "feeling"?


DEFINITELY the hardware as well.

This is Ben Goertzel position as well, that any intelligent agent is going to need to be embodied. That body may well be virtual, but it will need something telling it that it has an environment in which it lives and interacts (I almost said "Breaths"... That would be silly, unless it was a fully physical construct that needed some form of gas with which to perform some sort of chemical process necessary to its operation/survival).

Several of the participants at the Singularity Summit made this claim as well. Siting that a disembodied agency may well be able to gain a form of intelligence, but that intelligence would be far more alien to us than an embodied agency. A disembodied agency may well be so alien as to not recognize us as being intelligent (the same can be said of an embodied agency).

It is likely however that some form of communication could be established with either should it not recognize us immediately. Considering that we created it, it would be likely that we would know how to control ts imputs at least well enough to make it aware of some form of ttempted communication. If it was what we called a human+ intelligence, it would be a little dim to think that it wouldn't have the capacity to recognize an attempt to communicate with it... This will just be easier to do if that agency is embodied and contains sensory inputs that are equivalent to our own...

Re: Facing Up to the Problem of Consciousness
posted on 09/16/2007 4:40 AM by BeAfraid

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Why not just eliminate the Pentium processor, and conduct all the operations on paper, with crayons? Give me a new object, I seek into "memory" (stack of paper) for related objects, use an abacus to calculate a revised "linkage strength", take out a crayon and update the cell that maintains the "strength" of that link, etc.


Isn't this just another form of the "Chinese Box" problem?

Re: Facing Up to the Problem of Consciousness
posted on 08/25/2002 3:20 AM by dvolfson@juno.com

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> "attention, at a given moment"

Conscious, or unconscious attention?

You're using a network model. Tell me, how does such an object -> link system synthesize new images. How does it create (artistic) images that it has never linked before?

You seem to be using zero-dimensional links. How do you show specific relationships between objects, like father of, next to, far away from, greener than, etc?

> "By 'active objects' I refer to objects brought into our attention at a given moment, i.e belong to the current image."

Active in the conscious, or in the unconscious "images"?

> "Whenever the self object is part of the current image, along with another activated object X, we say that we are aware of X, or conscious of X. Consciousness is therefore a state of objects, the relation between the self object and other objects."

You are describing attention, which can occur at an unconscious level.

Have you ever read an introductory textbook on cognitive psychology?

-- Dimitry

Re: Facing Up to the Problem of Consciousness
posted on 08/26/2002 1:02 PM by shai_op@netvision.net.il

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> Have you ever read an introductory textbook on > cognitive psychology?

> -- Dimitry

Dear Dimitry,
The cognitive psychology could succeed in explaining consciousness so far. I don't plan to build my conclusions on top of their introductory books.

Re: Facing Up to the Problem of Consciousness
posted on 08/26/2002 2:03 PM by azb@llnl.gov

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jwayt and scottswall5,

> "The metal and plastic spinning wheel analogy does not apply because they don't have "same fine-grained functional organization". You start with one function and then switch to another."

Actually, the metal-wheel/plastic-wheel example serves and interesting purpose. It begs the question "what functionality is being sought"?

A plastic wheel of identical shape and density as a metal one will serve perfectly well as a replacement for a flywheel, in storing angular momentum, but will not serve to induce the same electromagmetic effects. So what are we "looking for"?

The brain is engaged in who-knows how many "activities", of which "rational thought" is just the tip of the iceberg. The issue of AI and consciousness ask us to consider a "new medium" supporting the same "fine-grained functional organization", but this cannot be done before you identify which "functionality" you seek to support.

If the functionality is the rational-logical problem-solving domain, then (perhaps) a wider variety of different media exhibiting "same fine-grained functional organization" may be possible, than if the functionality sought is "human sensory experience of self-awareness". The former (rationality) is (relatively) easy to "test", as the success is defined entirely in terms of externally observable result. The latter (subjective consciousness) can only be inferred from external behaviors.

How much "fine-grained functional similarity" is required to support equivalent quality of consciousness? I don't know, but it seems reasonable to suspect it is more than the similarity required for "intelligent behavior".

Cheers! ____tony b____

Re: Facing Up to the Problem of Consciousness
posted on 08/26/2002 3:26 PM by shai_op@netvision.net.il

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I meant:
The cognitive psychology could NOT succeed in explaining consciousness so far. I don't plan to build my conclusions on top of their introductory books.

Re: Facing Up to the Problem of Consciousness
posted on 08/24/2002 10:00 AM by cyberdyno4@hotmail.com

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ORDER (mind & matter) arose from interactions within disorder giving rise to self-dependent, separated, cybernetic systems, which, in turn, learned to take full advantage of matter's properties after billions of years interacting with each other, to the point they evolved into human brains, for the only purpose of experiencing/perceiving/measuring existence a bit better (from a 4D perspective), so they can continue to improve in their methods to use information to their advantage, as a tool against entropy or disorder. Why? because all thermodynamic systems tend to MOVE towards thermal equilibrium, and in doing so they have to interact forming physical, geometrical, relationships which are preserved in matter and are accessible by this cybernetic systems (including brains), when needed, as they evolve towards thermal efficiency.

Take music for example... it isn't periodic and yet is a great example of order and harmony, whose meaning and beauty can only be perceived as a whole. Like thoughts or ideas, if I try to explain an idea in writing that takes 10 lines and you only read three words you won't get the concept I am try to convey. The idea is an ordered whole which must be perceived as such.

Take a look at waves as an example of order, thanks to wave superposition you may have one simple wave which may be contained as a whole in another more complex wave which may also be contained as a whole in an even more complex wave... to infinite complexity.

Process or activity within hyperspace does not depend on linear time.

Information is created and preserved in matter even thou the medium itself does not move.

The components, the ones generating this information, are all floating_in and interacting_with space, as particles, molecules, galaxies... brains... all of which continuously exchange information as they continuously emit and absorb electromagnetic radiation as spatially separated systems. EMR is the tool which Nature has successfully been using since the beginning of time to overcome space-like intervals between objects in order to evolve as a whole.

And what are inertia and momentum but a resistance to change in the rate of space/information flow?

Mass comes from the tension or 'informational drag' created by a system as it moves within the chaotic medium.

While a particle is moving at a constant speed and all the geometrical parameters are set, it won't experience any inertial forces, but as it accelerates and the relationships CHANGE it needs to keep adjusting to its new energy/space consumption settings. That's why relativistic effects are so real. When accelerated in relation to other particles, length shortens, time slows down and mass grows (space flow tension) within the particle to balance energy usage in momentum space and maintain its dependence and relation to spacetime in accordance to energy/information conservation laws.

People talk about gravitational non-linearities and what are they but radial information flow? As space from hyperspace is converted to spacetime and matter by a self-creative process which is driven by LOGIC and the laws of thermodynamics.

Gravity, momentum and inertia are caused by the tension in information flow created by 'process time'. That's why we only have mass in spacetime... after particles are fully formed.

Mass is a result of 'aether drag', a resistance to change in space flow rate, into and from the particle, as the particle moves thru space/medium, and this is what relates it to angular momentum.

All those who wanted to detect aether drag had to do was take a direct measurement of either gravity, momentum or inertia and that would be the amount of aether drag.

If you immerse in water a bullet shaped object (one foot in diameter) and then accelerate it to supersonic speeds, this projectile will inexplicably pull with a body of water attached to its rear, never allowing the formation of a void as the theory predicts, so they invented 'bow drag' to explain this phenomenon and derive the drag coefficient they were looking for.

It's like Timothy Boyer's piston, if you were to pull it with high acceleration, the force resisting you would be higher than what Newton's second law predicts. Russians have obtained fields of 25 million oersteds generated from the void with a similar method. They used explosives to pull the piston.

This anti-void tension force may easily be what fuels eternal particle spin, tornado spin, and this is its connection to angular momentum.

It's a 100% elastic medium, so motion (or information propagation) *at these level* is instantaneous, this property is what makes possible phenomena like momentum, inertia and even gravity, facilitated by the holographic properties of a 100% elastic medium and the instantaneous information propagation properties of momentum space. This is why there can't be displacement without replacement. This is where this 'anti-void force' comes from, as it is the aether's nature not to allow separation (or tearing of the space fabric) as it needs to maintain its wholeness for stuff like momentum, inertia and non-local (or spacetime independent) communications to be possible.


Mass is equivalent to process...

Mass simply refers to the amount of information processing of all the energetic relationships that exist between matter and space, when a particle is at rest this spatial relationships stay constant and there is no informational lag created space/information flow within the particle, as the particle is accelerated the energetic relations between the particle and space keep changing causing this space/information flow tension we call inertia.

Gravity is caused by the space/information drag caused by its radial flow towards the center of all matter as space/information crystallizes from hyperspace into spacetime, moment to moment, as the Universe's wave function continues to develop forward in time.

Each object that moves (and they all move) in space must follow the laws of energy conservation. But how else could the Universe know how much energy is being used by some galaxy 5 billion light years away if it isn't thru hyperspace... momentum space... a 100% elastic non-material medium from which all matter and space emerges as a product of active information.

According to present day theory the total energy in this Universe must be a constant, and each of its parts must know how much energy it is using in relation to the whole Universe.

Matter is aware of its surroundings, but this doesn't mean it can think (unless it had previously being formed into a brain).

These internal oversight can only happen in hyperspace.

Holistic awareness is a secondary function of matter which enabled Nature to evolve.

Interactions within the system (brain) depend on more than the information it gets thru its five senses, there is an interaction occurring at a deeper level between the system and its environment. Thoughts are formed very much in the same manner particles are, and just like particle systems depend on EMR so does our mind. Processes forming ideas are very much like the processes that form matter. Mind and matter both depend on the magic of superposition, non-locality and non-linear information processing, all phenomena which gives them the ability to self-organize into ever more efficient systems.

Consciousness, thanks to this function, is what enables us to think and exist in 4D, in a continuum unbounded from causality (or linear time). And that makes Bohm correct when he says state vector reduction occurs thanks to this 'wholeness in space' function of matter and consciousness is possible thanks a 'wholeness in time' function of matter, and it is this 'holistic awareness' function of Nature which Bohm mathematically represented as the quantum potential (Q).

Stapp's projection operator (P) stands for perception, but not for just human perception, but for all matter. According to Mach and others, any movement by any object within the Universe will instantaneously be sensed thru momentum space, and even though this hasn't been directly measured, it can be derived thru other phenomena... like inertia.

And that's what (P) ends up being, as a particle perceives other particles it completes the information exchange, realizing the spatial relationships between particles and space that is needed to collapse the wave packet in hyperspace and be crystallized into spacetime. Not an exclusively human ability since perception is a very old natural function of matter.

Information about a material system must be contained within the system, it doesn't come from anywhere else in space. The only external information being brought to the system by EM waves is the momentum and hence location of the particle in relation to the world. But the system must be comprised by a particle AND its particular inwardly flowing concentric space/information waves. So gravitational non-linearities may still be viewed as radial space/information flow. Information which is picked and organized by concentric waves as space is condensed into the particle/system. But the parts (not the information) to construct and maintain the system intact as it moves through the medium do come from the chaotic hyperspace.

So there is no ordered information in hyperspace, just randomly fluctuating quanta, which is ordered as a particle/wave system moves through it.

Hyperspace is filled with information bits, matter precursors, a pre-geometry made of non-material units of information which exist in chaos and are ordered by logic and activity into spacetime. But for natural reasons, i.e. energy conservation laws, everything that comes into spacetime must be perceived and energetically measured before it can materialize. There has to be a measuring device sensing the particle's location and momentum in relation with the rest of that inertial frame of reference before it can crystallize, as the information that constitutes it flows radially from hyperspace towards its centre in spacetime. But this measuring device isn't some external being, it is the Universe itself, each particle senses each other and their relation to space, building an information network filled with geometrical relationships (spacetime), which are in turn used as the future is built on the already existing information.

The big MISTERY was - why do I have to watch the cat in order to know whether it's alive or not? And the answer is that we are measuring devices, just like the rest of all matter. We are the best measuring device that ever emerged from all the information processing done in our neighborhood to this date.

Von Neumann was partly right when he said that the evolution of the Schrodinger wave could only depend on quantum mechanical 'observables' (implying that this information can only come from spacetime) yet including the observer (mind) as an efficacious operator (since the theory considers brains to be measuring instruments). The only reason human brains entered the equation was that as they observed and perceived light (EMR) coming from the particle, information about momentum and location, which is vital to maintain energy conservation laws, became known to the particle/system allowing it to complete the loop and continue to condense.

Bohm, Hiley and Penrose are also partly right when they claim particle complementarity is due to an indivisible process which originates in a common background, but the only necessary information being transferred from the aether to the particles is that concerning momentum and location in relation with that inertial frame and the rest of Universe. There is no need for some mega information storage system which must contain the history of the Universe, all the information needed for the evolution of the system in spacetime is contained by the system itself IN SPACETIME.

Quantum mechanical process is indeterminate going forwards or backwards. Reality (like thought), is about becoming, it IS process and this process is *totally dependent* on the uncertainty of the movement in quanta. Uncertainty is what causes activity, it is due to the natural indeterminism of quanta that the Universe exists, you take the uncertainty away and it will freeze.

All matter is accompanied by a real indeterminate wave movement governed by the laws of quantum mechanics, just as de Broglie described it.

Objective reality is a continuous self-maintained thermodynamically open process developing in a sea of discontinuities (background radiation). Even atoms are open thermodynamical systems, there is always energy/information/space being exchanged between matter and the environment. The same can be said about living biological systems they are open energy dissipating systems restricted by the laws of thermodynamics.

Schrodinger's equation develops in real uncertainty, quantum mechanical theory will never reach 100% accuracy because indeterminism is the NATURE of reality.

As Schrodinger's (wave-function) equation evolves the system will have some tendencies or propensities that will depend on the systems properties in spacetime. There will always be some preferred outcomes (where the wave peaks in the function) whose probabilities are going to be much higher than others which will not be so well related to the system.

Photons are carried by a matter-waves and move in a wavy indeterminate manner ruled by the Heisenberg principle of indeterminacy, that's where hbar came from, you take hbar away from the equations and reality freezes up!

Uncertainty is inherent to evolutive process, if you don't believe in the indeterminism of Nature then you will have to reject Darwin and substitute evolution by creationism. If everything was already known why do we keep having process? I mean the Sun is still shinning isn't it...

Information contained in photons, even though it may contained in each photon coming from a single source, has to be seen as ensembles ruled by the laws of probability, that is the current approach of Quantum Field Theory.

Some of the information about the environment (about the Universe) comes from this aether, as it rules the whole Universe, all at once, with just a few fundamental laws (constants). Thanks to the WHOLENESS of the aether this information can be transmitted instantaneously as wave-phase angle or slope, allowing at the same time all kinds of emergent informational systems to observe themselves in wholeness helping them to evolve.

How? If we allow for three different scales of reality it can be done, with the aether as the ETERNAL substrate for hyperspace and then spacetime.

When we rotate the plane of polarization in a beam of light the whole beam changes at once, so what kind of medium is this? Is it a particulated fluid, a super-elastic gel, or a hyper-solid?

See, the aether is non-dimensional, events occurring within the aether occur without motion, the manifestations we have in hyperspace (Television, cell phones, radio, virtual particles and all EMR), and the objective reduction of matter-waves into spacetime are ruled by laws coming from the aether, that's why I said Tachyons may be considered to be imaginary, as a tool to comprehend non-locality and instantaneous communication.

Everything is connected to the aether because everything is made from it. The aether is made from the same stuff Hawking's singularities are made, it is also the stuff from which wavefronts/shockwaves in EMR are made. It is fluid and yet INDIVISIBLE... you could stretch it and create huge volumes of 'space' WITHIN it but you can't divide it into two separate entities, the aether is ONE.

All the evidence points to a precipitation or condensation of space, but particles are still volumes of solid space filled by a 'false vacuum', in fact it can be argued that space density and pressure are greater on the outside than they are on the inside. Solid space is an effect caused by shockwaves created by the high speed spinning of fields, and fields are made from the same 'false vacuum' the whole Universe is filled with.

If we could conceive this medium to be a gel, to be made of this non-material (because neither time nor length apply to it) indivisible stuff that makes the points that make the lines that make the strings that make the quanta that makes the quarks... then we get hyperspace sharing the properties of both - the aether's non-locality, and spacetime's linear time, motion and information processing - finally we get spacetime, which contains the properties of all three scales or realms. What else could you ask for?

This three level reality coupled with a 'gel' aether model can explain non-locality, holistic awareness and evolution. It's a fluid, elastic, indivisible and eternal singularity which has inflated and stretched to what the Universe is today. It has no parts and no process within it - it IS the process. Motion, time, extension, order, size, beginning or ending are notions that do not apply, and yet everything is made from it, even space.

To us (spacetime scale) it seems as if it became a bunch of unrelated separated entities, but in reality it's all connected thru the all pervading aether, even desolated space regions are part of the one single process that started it all, it's all made of the same aether that gave birth to it. Everything that changes will experience inertial forces, simply because in reality there is only one process (the Uni-verse) from where a myriad of informational nodes (objects) evolved to become apparently separated systems. For any process to continue evolving there must be internal oversight as a whole, which is only possible if all the parts are interconnected, and that can be a huge problem when we are talking about a system the size of the Universe. We knew it had to be a non-local function, and this is only possible because of the ONENESS quality at the aether scale.

WITHIN the aether motion/information/momentum is reported instantaneously, distance doesn't apply, the aether has no parts, it is one. Within hyperspace, we have only EMR, where information propagation is limited by moving mass (process) to the speed of light. Within spacetime most things obey Newton's motion laws but everything is non-locally interconnected to everything else in its neighborghood and the rest of the Universe.

Hegel was right... we owe ourselves to the state, individualistic behavior is against Nature.

The REAL unfolds as the History of Mankind. (Hegel)

Reality is not about things, it is about process. (Smolin)


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Laurent

Re: Facing Up to the Problem of Consciousness
posted on 08/25/2002 3:00 AM by dvolfson@juno.com

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"Mass is equivalent to process... "

Yeah, and all nouns can be shown to be nominalizations at some level. What does your post have to do with consciousness?

Re: Facing Up to the Problem of Consciousness
posted on 08/25/2002 10:05 AM by cyberdyno4@hotmail.com

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How could there be a mind where there is no space, no time and therefore no motion.

I can imagine a realm where static information is in the 'form' of algorithms which are then translated into a spacetime type reality as they acquire the dimensions of length and duration, but even that seems impossible since everything indicates that information must always be material. I mean, how could there exist any form where there are no dimensions of length or time?

I can imagine many things, but we can't just go by intuition, we have to rely on what is already known.

Do you know of any examples of nonmaterial information storage mechanisms?

First there had to be matter before there could be any brains, and matter is spacetime dependent. Brains emerged from the evolution of information that existed in spacetime, there can't be evolution outside of spacetime.

Interactions within the system (brain) depend on more than the information it gets thru its five senses, there is an interaction occurring at a deeper level between the system and its environment. Thoughts are formed very much in the same manner particles are, and just like particle systems depend on EMR so does our mind. Processes forming ideas are very much like the processes that form matter. Mind and matter both depend on the magic of superposition, non-locality and non-linear information processing, all phenomena which gives them the ability to self-organize into ever more efficient systems.

Mind and matter are different aspects of the same underlying process, that which IS is PROCESS itself. Waves are forms that carry information, they in-form matter and mind.

Stapp's projection operator (P) stands for perception, but not for just human perception, but for all matter. According to Mach and others, any movement by any object within the Universe will instantaneously be sensed thru momentum space, and even though this hasn't been directly measured, it can be derived thru other phenomena... like inertia.

And that's what (P) ends up being, as a particle perceives other particles it completes the information exchange, realizing the spatial relationships between particles and space that is needed to collapse the wave packet in hyperspace and be crystallized into spacetime. Not an exclusively human ability since perception is a very old natural function of matter.

Holistic awareness is a secondary function of matter which enabled Nature to
evolve.

Consciousness, thanks to this function, is what enables us to think and exist in 4D, in a continuum unbounded from causality (or linear time). And that makes Bohm correct when he says state vector reduction occurs thanks to this 'wholeness in space' function of matter and consciousness is possible thanks a 'wholeness in time' function of matter, and it is this 'holistic awareness' function of Nature which Bohm mathematically represented as the quantum potential (Q).

Time is the dimension that ties and relates all the frames together. You know that a TV screen (a 2D plane) has a refresh rate of about 30 frames per second, and when we watch a movie we need to see a long series of frames to be able to tie up all the causal relations between all the frames, and that's how we are able to get 'into' the movie (unlike any other species in the planet). Time is the 4th dimension and the glue that ties all the frames that make up our stream of consciousness. We humans have apparently become the first animal able to efficaciously perceive the fourth dimension.

It's like music, you can't compare what you feel when you listen to a whole Bethoven simphony to what you perceive when you hit a single note in the piano.

Remember Penrose's quasicrystals (The Emperor's New Mind, p. 564), how he explained that it appears as if the 'whole' crystal is observing itself (each 'present' atom configuration pattern is embedded into its pilot-wave) and choosing from qualia, using some holistic awareness mechanism, by which they can, compare 'present qualia' to 'past qualia' and all the possible 'rock-like' outcomes, which are limited to the system's tendencies or potentialities, until the 'right' atom configurations are found, while constructing their forbidden and very complex icosahedral symmetries.

Experience plays an important role in the correct development of the crystals (as well as in all self-organized systems). The crystals accomplish their self-observation by following information contained in their pilot-wave (Bohm-de Broglie) , which contains past information about the crystal, as a whole. Proto-qualia for a quasicrystal would be how all the possible atom configurations would feel like as they remain in superposition until the right one is found and then would come the collapse of the wave packet.

From the moment the first self-organizing systems appeared in nature to the moment the first human brain appeared its being a few billion years, but in both occasions the objective has been the same: to experience existence. The state wave a human being follows (or should I say - the measure by which a human being exists) is defined its brain state wave. Penrose's quasicrystals don't have a brain, but they follow their state wave as the measure by which they must exist, if by any reason they were to stop following their state wave as they add new atoms to their 'body', they would end up becoming a different type of material.

Past experiences (our beliefs) are closely related to what new qualia will feel like. When we find what feels right, be it a color or be it a thought, an idea, ...a knowing, there is wave coherence, and that's when the collapse of the brain state wave occurs.

All input from the senses cause physical changes in the brain as it registers and stores reality. The same way light in actual holograms leave weird interference patterns on photographic plates. When using the right tool you are able to recreate the image out of what really are - the interference 'Moire patterns' left on the photographic plate. When you remember, you are back-tracking the interference patterns physically engraved in your brain, recreating past reality.

We are constantly choosing the present out of an infinitude of possibilities offered by quantum superpositions.

Events (or moments) happen in spacetime. There are all kinds of events (or happenings). Like when photons are emitted while electrons drop an orbit, or when atoms decay and radiate energy. Or when someone is telling us a joke and we suddenly explode in laughter when we 'get it', that's an event. When we reach an understanding of a new concept (a knowing), or when we realize that which is an eternal truth, those are also events.

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Laurent

The Hoffding Step
posted on 08/25/2002 11:38 AM by dvolfson@juno.com

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> Interactions within the system (brain) depend on more than the information it gets thru its five senses, there is an interaction occurring at a deeper level between the system and its environment.

While there are built-in structuring processes in the brain, without sensory input they would have nothing to work with.

> Mind and matter both depend on the magic of superposition, non-locality and non-linear information processing, all phenomena which gives them the ability to self-organize into ever more efficient systems.

If you're trying to say that quantum effects are necessary for self-organization, then take a look at autopoesis -- no quantum events are needed.

> Mind and matter are different aspects of the same underlying process, that which IS is PROCESS itself.

Yes, fine, as I noted before, any noun can be seen as a process (a nominalization) at some level. This is too reductionistic to have any relevance to consciousness.

> perception is a very old natural function of matter.

You're saying that interaction equals perception. It doesn't. Perception requires some cursory internal modeling of the interaction. The Hoffding step.

> We humans have apparently become the first animal able to efficaciously perceive the fourth dimension.

I doubt it.

> the objective has been the same: to experience existence.

Whose objective?

> Past experiences (our beliefs) are closely related to what new qualia will feel like. When we find what feels right, be it a color or be it a thought, an idea, ...a knowing, there is wave coherence, and that's when the collapse of the brain state wave occurs.

Wave coherence? That's simply not how it works. Searching processes in the brain do not work that way. There are a number of discrete attempts to match, not a holistic wave equation.

> When you remember, you are back-tracking the interference patterns physically engraved in your brain, recreating past reality.

Remembering can consist of more than one type of process. Elaboration does not necessarily have anything to do with the coded memory itself, but with its related factors. In other words, what you think you remember is often the product of its similarity to other events, not to the original coding.

> We are constantly choosing the present out of an infinitude of possibilities offered by quantum superpositions.

Really? I've never had a quantum level choice offered to me.

> Holistic awareness is a secondary function of matter which enabled Nature to
evolve. Consciousness, thanks to this function, is what enables us to think and exist in 4D, in a continuum unbounded from causality (or linear time).

I have no idea what you're trying to say here. Human beings ARE constrained by linear time.

-- Dimitry

Re: The Hoffding Step
posted on 08/25/2002 4:30 PM by cyberdyno4@hotmail.com

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>> Interactions within the system (brain) depend on more than the information it gets thru its five senses, there is an interaction occurring at a deeper level between the system and its environment.

> While there are built-in structuring processes in the brain, without sensory input they would have nothing to work with.

I was talking about de Broglie matter-waves and the brain's own wave function...

>> Mind and matter both depend on the magic of superposition, non-locality and non-linear information processing, all phenomena which gives them the ability to self-organize into ever more efficient systems.

> If you're trying to say that quantum effects are necessary for self-organization, then take a look at autopoesis -- no quantum events are needed.

Autopoesis depends on the laws of Nature and Nature is ruled by quantum indeterminism.


>> Mind and matter are different aspects of the same underlying process, that which IS is PROCESS itself.

> Yes, fine, as I noted before, any noun can be seen as a process (a nominalization) at some level. This is too reductionistic to have any relevance to consciousness.

>> perception is a very old natural function of matter.

> You're saying that interaction equals perception. It doesn't. Perception requires some cursory internal modeling of the interaction. The Hoffding step.

Perception is an old function of matter that has evolved with matter to what we have today.

>> We humans have apparently become the first animal able to efficaciously perceive the fourth dimension.

> I doubt it.

Do you know of any other creature that can remember past experiences and plan the future from those memories with the same facility and efficiency humans can? Our mind is unbounded by the rigors of time, lower creatures can only experience and react to reality in snap shots, frame to frame. We can perceive written word in a paragraph as a whole, a passage of music as a whole... a thought...

>> the objective has been the same: to experience existence.

> Whose objective?

Nature's... in its eternal quest to beat entropy... armed with the laws of LOGIC and harmony.

>> Past experiences (our beliefs) are closely related to what new qualia will feel like. When we find what feels right, be it a color or be it a thought, an idea, ...a knowing, there is wave coherence, and that's when the collapse of the brain state wave occurs.

> Wave coherence? That's simply not how it works. Searching processes in the brain do not work that way. There are a number of discrete attempts to match, not a holistic wave equation.

>> When you remember, you are back-tracking the interference patterns physically engraved in your brain, recreating past reality.

> Remembering can consist of more than one type of process. Elaboration does not necessarily have anything to do with the coded memory itself, but with its related factors. In other words, what you think you remember is often the product of its similarity to other events, not to the original coding.

>> We are constantly choosing the present out of an infinitude of possibilities offered by quantum superpositions.

> Really? I've never had a quantum level choice offered to me.
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Separate sets of laws apply to microscopic and macroscopic phenomena
and EMR is bounded by the laws of the unseen, the invisible but very
real Hyperspace.

The Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics, particle
complementarity, the uncertainty principle and Planck's constant are
key to understanding Heisenberg's determinism.

There are Classical 'Newtonian' Motion Laws and there are Quantum
motion laws. Quantum motion laws are mathematically described by
Schrodinger's wave mechanics which develops in vector space (another
mathematical construct), one of this vectors is the State Vector, which
determines whether the particle is in a wave-like state or a rock-like
(particle) state. State vector reduction refers to the event in which the
wave takes the form of a particle (wave packet collapse). State vector
reduction obeys to external factors, some developing in Spacetime,
which are called projection operators. As QM theory developed, the
founders had to include the observer (mind) as a critical factor
(projection operator) in the state vector reduction, and these new set
of quantum motion laws (Schrodinger's equation), which we so accurately
use to predict sub-atomic particle behavior, are non-deterministic by
nature, since they are based on the Uncertainty Principle.

Every motion of any object in Spacetime (4D) could be described to the
accuracy of a Planck unit by its wave function, even the history of
Mankind... if we had all the input information. And yet there still will
exist a degree of uncertainty (Planck's constant h defines the size of
the uncertainty), there is always some degree of freedom, specially
when we only have to choose between two very similar options, [and
that's where 'free will' comes in].

The way I see it, if it wasn't for Heisenberg and Planck there would be
no probability waves, not even a Schrodinger wave. The wave model
describing a particle's trajectory was created because of the uncertainty
in the measurement of such small amounts.

I think Dennett, Crick and Koch, the Churchlands... they all make some
very convincing arguments, but at the same time I believe that if AT&T
Labs sees no real obstacles in producing a quantum computer capable of
a million million computations in tandem, then quantum computation and
the ideas of Eccles, Hameroff, Penrose, Pribran... become very attractive.
I mean, if anthropophagus little creatures like us have already discovered quantum superposition, you can only imagine since when has Nature
been using this great tool to her advantage.
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>> Holistic awareness is a secondary function of matter which enabled
Nature to evolve. Consciousness, thanks to this function, is what enables
us to think and exist in 4D, in a continuum unbounded from causality (or
linear time).

> I have no idea what you're trying to say here. Human beings ARE
constrained by linear time.
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Bohm's quantum potential (Q) links the Aether to spacetime...

" The Bohm approach makes a logical distinction between the two but
then the quantum potential links them together again so that they are
actually not separate. It is this factor that gives rise to context
dependence, and to the irreducible feature of participation between
relevant features of the environment in the evolution of the system
itself... " -- Basil Hiley

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" Central to understanding the Bohm interpretation is the appearance
of the quantum potential, Q. It is not ad hoc as suggested
by Heisenberg (1959) but emerges directly from the Schr'dinger
equation and without it, energy would not be conserved.

The quantum potential does not have the usual properties expected
from a classical potential. It does not arise from an external source;
it does not fall off with distance. It seems to indicate a new quality
of internal energy and more importantly from our point of view, it
give rise to the notion of participation, non-separation and
nonlocality. At the deeper level it arises because, as Bohr often
stressed, it is not possible to make a sharp separation between the
observing instrument and the quantum process while the interaction is
taking place. The Bohm approach makes a logical distinction between
the two but then the quantum potential links them together again so
that they are actually not separate. It is this factor that gives rise
to context dependence, and to the irreducible feature of participation
between relevant features of the environment in the evolution of the
system itself. It was this factor that was not incorporated into by
the no-go theorems discussed above. " --- B. Hiley

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"...This potential is totally unlike any classical potential. It has
features more akin to a selforganising potential. Indeed this
self-organisation occurs in response to the environment in which the
quantum process finds itself. " --- B. Hiley

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Laurent

Re: Facing Up to the Problem of Consciousness
posted on 08/25/2002 2:21 PM by prj@ruf.dk

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After a few very cmplicated explanations I think it is time to remember the principle called "Occam's Razor".
It says that if you have one or more theories explaning your observed data, you should choose the simplest theory since it is most likely to be true.

After having said that I would like to point at my own very simple explanation for the "hard" problem of consciousness.

The theory is called TRANS
Thought by Repetitive Activation of Neural Sequence.

A report about the theory can be downloaded from:
www.ruf.dk/trans2.doc

In short the theory is that the brain has the potential to generate its own neural activity by activating a loop of interconnected neurons. The brain is a generator when we feel conscious, not just a computer processing sensory inputs.

Palle R Jensen

Re: Facing Up to the Problem of Consciousness
posted on 01/26/2004 11:01 PM by Smarag

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Just read your post re: David Chalmers hypotheses about consciouisness. A very telling point in the notion that each "particle" must be conscious or they would not collapse their wave functions and become real -- or something like that. I'd like to read more. I'm very much into transpersonal psych and quantum and post qunatum physics, and I love David Bohm.

Jim Dodds

Re: Facing Up to the Problem of Consciousness
posted on 08/26/2002 1:56 AM by scottwall5@attbi.com

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I read this discussion until I got to the logically flawed argument in 7.2, which began as follows:

2. The principle of organizational invariance. This principle states that any two systems with the same fine-grained functional organization will have qualitatively identical experiences.

A metal spinning wheel and a plastic one may spin thread in exactly the same way, but one conducts electricity and the other does not. What if the conscious correlate is somehow contained in the electrical conduction! If you replace a metal spinning wheel with a plastic one atom by atom, you will notice no difference in the spinning, but the conductivity will diminish by increments.

Chalmers has done a much better job than most of explaining what cannot be the source of consciousness, but I suspect that he is nowhere near explaining what it is.

I am beginning to suspect that the real source of our inability to grasp consciousness stems from the discrete nature of our reasoning faculties (no bearing on consciousness). The on/off, signal/no-signal nature of how our minds process information may make it impossible for us to formulate models relevant to some natural phenomena.

Moreover, I suspect that consciousness is not a force alongside gravity and mass, but our first hint that we are completely missing the point. Gravity, mass, space-time, etc. are certainly all aspects of some deeper and richer construct that is not immediately accessible to us.

The people that have given up on trying to explain consciousness are probably closer to the truth, but we don't hear form them because they have given up.

>After a few very complicated explanations I think it is time to remember the principle called "Occam's Razor".

Occam's Razor only applies when you have a working model. None exist.

Re: Facing Up to the Problem of Consciousness
posted on 08/26/2002 8:49 AM by jwayt

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The metal and plastic spinning wheel analogy does not apply because they don't have "same fine-grained functional organization". You start with one function and then switch to another.

In this quote, Chalmers attributes the quality of experience to the medium of experience. As long as the medium FUNCTIONS the same way, the quality of the experience should be the same. Consider the differences between watching a movie on television, as contrasted with the silver screen. The quality of the experience is better and richer in the theater because the sound system has higher fidelity, the screen is brighter, much larger, and has higher resolution. So the difference in the experience is due to the differences in the medium. In some respects the quality of the experience can be the same; the audio-visual components are experienced using the same sensory organs and convey essentially the same information content. More importantly, Chalmers claims different mediums for thought, awareness, and consciousness can can yield the same experience to the degree in which they function the same way upon information.

>"The on/off, signal/no-signal nature of how our minds process information may make it impossible for us to formulate models relevant to some natural phenomena."

A binary presumption of mental processes will handicap formulating an accurate picture of our minds. We only rarely operate in a strictly boolean fashion. Most of our values are gradients. Logic is a recent (Greek) concept.

It amazes me that so many people believe that our mind uses binary digits like a computer does. Even our DNA is quaternary. The Russions have observed 44 distinct brain wave frequencies (11 at 4 harmonics), so in what way is our brain so binary as to be on/off?

Re: Facing Up to the Problem of Consciousness
posted on 08/26/2002 12:17 PM by scottwall5@attbi.com

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Study some Neuroscience, try to understand what Chalmers is actually saying, and read what I said again.

Re: Facing Up to the Problem of Consciousness
posted on 08/26/2002 3:36 PM by wclary5424@aol.com

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>It amazes me that so many people believe that our mind uses binary digits like a computer does. Even our DNA is quaternary. The Russions have observed 44 distinct brain wave frequencies (11 at 4 harmonics), so in what way is our brain so binary as to be on/off?


When I was a kid, when even the IBM 360 was still just a glimmer in some engineer's eyes, people used telephone switchboards as an analogical model for the brain. Now, digital computers are favored. But at least in this case, there is some evidence...neurons do seem to "turn on and off". But I think some people run too far from the evidence.

BC

Re: Facing Up to the Problem of Consciousness
posted on 08/27/2002 7:05 AM by jwayt

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I appreciate the current fashion in mind analogies. On the old switchboards, the human operators were the transistors!

Switching on and off is no evidence of binary coding. Two ships at sea can exchange messages by flashing lights at each other, on and off. What is CODED is Morse code, not binary code. There are also pauses for phrasing, sentences and listening: presence and absence of signal.

Re: Facing Up to the Problem of Consciousness
posted on 08/31/2002 2:52 PM by prj@ruf.dk

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>Occam's Razor only applies when you have a working model. None exist.

It is true that I don't have experimental data to support the TRANS theory at this stage. I still think that a theory which in a simple way can explain a lot of observations made by others can be of tremendous value.

Thought by Repetitive Activation of Neural Sequence is a theory which takes a completely different approach than most others and this seems to be necessary in order to fully understand the special qualities of consciousness.

Palle R Jensen

Alternity and Self-reference
posted on 08/26/2002 5:16 PM by jwayt

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Alternity is the set of our imaginary worlds, as they partly and robustly model the memory of the reality we experience. It is our cognitive workspace where we leave out some details for ease of manipulation. In alternity, we can plan a more desirable (or fear a disastrous) future as rich in experiential detail as we need to. We can create many alternates to choose from. Alternities are not merely states, but processes, routes, actions, strategies themselves. We may encapsulate these alternities and imbed them in others.. They become recursive and self-referent. We are continuously in the process of creating alternity, unconsciously, and at almost every level high enough to express it. This gives us huge adaptive power and this aptitude has been honed in our species for the last 200,000 generations.

In G'del, Escher, Bach: The Eternal Golden Braid, Douglas Hofstadter expands G'del's self-references in strong, formal systems to include the human brain. The formality of the neurons and how they function so reliably should be beyond doubt. Once our brain develops sufficiently, the formal system it represents becomes so complex that self-reference is inevitable. This actually occurs in human children around three years of age. Their ability to embrace symbols advances to the point where memory systems begin converting from eidetic to iconic strategies. It is also the point when children develop the concept of self. In the simpler forms of awareness, our minds model and symbolize uncounted objects in our world. How grossly negligent would we be to overlook ourselves? Self-consciousness must include the symbol of the self as an object in the mind. It must also employ recursion; I know that I know that I know' Gorillas, orangutans and chimpanzees also show they can manipulate symbols. Chimps show this beginning at 4 years of age. These primates have demonstrated they can use their imagination of what a room looks like from another perspective to get a fruit reward.

When we encapsulate alternity, we objectify it as a symbol. We call it a 'plan'. Objectifying this alternity is the mechanism by which we can mentally distance ourselves from the symbol. Once accomplished, we need only to be aware of the symbol for self and the alternity are two separate things. Thus self is dualistically imbedded in alternity and alternity is imbedded in self.

The quality of what it is like to experience something comes from relating self to the process of recalling the memory of that experience. In the case of what it is like to be someone else, we employ alternity as a substitute. This was advantageous in our evolution as we began to model the quality of what it would be like to be alpha male or female, or what it would be like to be someone else in our society so we can better predict their behavior. This is of prime importance when dealing with a member of the opposite sex.

To summarize what it is, how it forms, when we get it, and why: Self-consciousness is the inescapable product of sufficiently complete, formal, symbolic systems. Self-consciousness develops in three year-olds when symbol manipulation does. The aptitude for self-consciousness is naturally (even sexually) selected in our species because it is so highly adaptive.

Re: Alternity and Self-reference
posted on 08/26/2002 6:38 PM by azb@llnl.gov

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jwayt,

How would you distinguish "formalism" from "realism"?

You write:

> "Once our brain develops sufficiently, the formal system it represents becomes so complex that self-reference is inevitable."

A formal system is a conceptual invention, an axiomatization, the presumes certain postulates and rules, and then determines the consequences, capabilities or limitations of that formalism. Formal systems are models created with the attempt to "map to" reality. Reality itself is not a formalism.

> "The quality of what it is like to experience something comes from relating self to the process of recalling the memory of that experience."

Certainly, consciousness will involve self-reference to memory retrival processes, etc. This "formalism" can be "modeled" with an almost arbitrarily small software program, and "formally speaking", that program would meet the definition you have given for "formally conscious."

But none of that speaks to the presense (or absense) of a subjective sensation of consciousness, akin to that of human experience.

> "Self-consciousness is the inescapable product of sufficiently complete, formal, symbolic systems."

Aside from the slippery qualifier "complete" (is it complete when it is conscious?), you are really referring to "will meet the definition of formal consciousness". Since many algorithmic implementations can (and do) meet this criteria, yet are almost certainly NOT conscious in the human-experiential sense, we abuse the term "consciousness" by employing it in this way. We have, as yet, no good way to ascertain whether an arbitrary construct possesses the "subjective sensation" of a conscious, waking state. You say "Self-consciousness", but you mean "formal access to the self-other relation", which is a syntactic description that can be applied independent of a physical implementation.

I think the "sensation of self-awareness" requires physics, and moreover, not just any physics that might support syntactic transformations, no matter the complexity. It might act intelligently (super-intelligently!) and even act consciously, so we could not arbitrarily claim it has no consciousness. But there is no guarantee that it represents a "sensation of consciousness". There is really no way I can imagine to know that, nor that it must follow simply because a "formalism" is satisfied.

Cheers! ____tony b____

Re: Alternity and Self-reference
posted on 08/27/2002 6:46 AM by jwayt

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Formalism is, as you say, a map of reality, or a method we use to map the way we think about reality. To qualify for Godelian incompleteness, a system must be sufficiently complete. Your average human being models--maps--reality as best he can. He discovers rules about reality and builds it into his map. When the map is at par with average human intelligence, it is a sufficiently complete, formal system. That map is not a trivial item. Such a system cannot be expressed in an arbitrarily small software program, any more than an arbitrarily small software program can do much to map reality.

My term "completeness" is not so slippery that you can slide it into your "formal consciousness". Consciousness is not merely relating the self symbol with just any old thing. You may have missed that little part about objectifying a transcendental cognitive space. Conscousness requires a complete, formal system to jump out of. For a more complete discussion of completeness, I recommend the book I sited in my first post.

Re: Facing Up to the Problem of Consciousness
posted on 09/04/2002 1:27 AM by szeldich@netzero.net

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The really hard problem of consciousness is the problem
of experience. When we think and perceive, there is a
whir of information-processing, but there is also a
subjective aspect. As Nagel (1974) has put it, there is
something it is like to be a conscious organism. This
subjective aspect is experience.

Hi,

It looks like the really hard problem of consciousness is the problem of understanding that all our experience is subjective.
Intelligence is ability to represent the accessible world.
Consciousness is function of the system capable to produce own behavior on the base of the own representation.

To make the artificial conscious organism we are should give to machine ability to do so.

It is rather simple than hard, at least I know how to approach.

Michael Zeldich

Re: Facing Up to the Problem of Consciousness
posted on 09/04/2002 2:22 AM by azb0@earthlink.net

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Michael,

> "It is rather simple than hard, at least I know how to approach."

If we conceptualize the world in terms of objects and relationships, then clearly "consciousness" involves acting upon a "self-representation" and its conceptual relation to "other things". Little else would make sense, and this would be a natural and obvious aspect of a deliberate attempt to enable an artificial consciousness, at least algorithmically.

But to claim that consciousness is a _function_ of the system capable to produce its own behavior on the basis of its own representation" is reaching (unless one implies a great deal already by the very word "own".)

It is not clear to my why a system cannot manifest behavior based upon its "self-representation relation to other", and do so without every being conscious of doing so "as you or I experience the sensation of consciousness." As you begin in your post, experience is a "subjective measure", unless one uses "experience" in the simple sense that a block of wood struck by a hammer "experiences a dent".

Moreover, I wonder why we are interested in artificial consciousness, as opposed to (merely) superior intelligence?

The only reason I can imagine is that we want to be sure we are not "hurting" an artificial being, to determine if and when it should have the "rights" we bestow upon advanced sentience.

Cheers! ____tony b____

Self
posted on 09/11/2002 7:40 PM by daniel@singdango.net

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As a layman, I'm struck by the number of times
the word "self" comes up in the responses. The
original essay studiously avoids the term.
Personally, I think "self" is the key to the
puzzle. All the rest seems to be attributes-of-
a-self.

Re: Self
posted on 07/27/2003 4:14 PM by prothe113

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This hits the nail on the head. Consciousness is just the experience of "self" incarnate. These phenomena must happen "to" something (the thinking goes) -- and that "thing" is the essence or experience of being "in" something -- that's the "selfness" of that thing. So experience is simply the result of very explainable physical processes impinging upon a "self." But "self" is actually the problem. What is "self?" Who does the experiencing? What is it that experiences?

At the risk of getting mystical, these are some of the core problems pondered by one of the deepest schools of metaphysics -- Buddhism. I'm not talking about the karma and reincarnation malarky, but the core questions. What is self? What experiences?

Part of the problem is what the Buddhists call "finger pointing at the moon." This is the old metaphor of the master pointing at the moon, and the student mistaking the finger for the moon. Another way of saying it is that the map is not the terrain. The best model of a thing or process is that thing or process itself. The point of language is to reduce (hence reductionism) the chaotic complexity of the world down to a manageable set of symbols -- hence "dog" instead of the billions of details that make up the experience of a dog. But asking the word "dog" to BE a dog is impossible -- it's contradicting the fundamental point of language, which is to reduce and symbolize. Remember that logic is just an extension (and formalization) of language, and mathematics is just logic encoded. All of these representational systems can never recreate the original thing through representation. That's the fundamental POINT.

This is why everybody knows what I mean when I say that "light of a certain wavelength and chemicals in the air producing a particular olfactory pattern" is NOT a rose. It's a particular (scientific language) representation of some aspects of a rose (its appearance and smell) but it completely ignores other aspects (the role of the rose in mythology, the evocative feelings it brings up in me, the sharp prick of the thorns). I can heap symbol upon symbol and produce a clearer representation of the rose, but it's asymptotic -- I can never achieve a REAL rose through language (or its children, logic, math, and science).

So science can never recreate consciousness simply because consciousness is a "brute fact" -- something in the world that just IS. Science can DESCRIBE it and REDUCE it to functional parts, but it cannot recreate it. And the "explanatory gap" that Chalmers struggles with is precisely another way of apprehending this inability. "Consciousness" is the thing being described. The language of science and biology is the inexact tool being used to represent it. Never the twain shall meet... Language can never recreate ANYTHING.

Given the limitations of language however, can we even use language to DESCRIBE this mysterious, elusive "self?"

A bodily description is unsatisfactory because the body can be divided, and because there's not a clear delineation between any part of the body and the "rest of the world."

A description of "self" as the result of neurochemical reactions is probably more accurate, but it leads us to the inevitable and disturbing conclusion that "self" is just an ephemera -- it's the result of a number of brain circuits producing a particular feeling.

This is difficult to grasp, because so many things that we assume about the world seem to require a "self." How can there be any action if there is no "self?" Who does the action? If I am not "me" then who am I?

But also note that these are just word games. There's no concrete fact about the world that REQUIRES there to be such a thing as "self." In fact, almost every line of objective evidence leads us back to the inevitable conclusion that "self" (that feeling that I'm a unique, discrete individual) is just a sometimes convenient illusion. It's a tool. In fact, it's the basis for all dualistic thinking; it's the original distinction. All distinctions start from me/not me. Since making distinctions is the purpose of language (saying the ball is blue implies that it is both not a box and not red, among infinite other things), you could say that the CONCEPT of self is the basis of language, logic, math, and science. But just as the map is not the terrain, so in this case the CONCEPT is not the same thing as reality. When we mistake the useful CONCEPT of self-as-separate-thing for a REAL thing that must reside SOMEWHERE or be the result of SOME physical process, we get into epistemological hot water.

Self is an illusion created by the workings of the brain. It most likely evolved to support the useful traits of language and logical thought. However it's not a real thing in any physical sense. It's not even a real concept; rather it's an epistemological brute fact -- I exist, therefore I can think (with apologies to R. Descartes).

A concept can be useful in one domain but not another -- for instance, relativistic effects are useful at the macro scale, but irrelevant at the quantum level, and vice versa, leading to one of the great current unknowns of physics. Similarly the concept of "self" is useful as a basis for language and logic and science, but it's woefully inadequate when brought into the experiential realm, as it's by definition THAT WHICH EXPERIENCES. Any further definitions instantly become circular. It's important to figure out what the right tool for the job is, and language and science, which are tools born of the concept of self, are not useful for examining the validity of the concept of self -- they assume what they're investigating.

And without "self" the whole "hard problem" of consciousness simply evaporates. Once we quit trying to use a screwdriver to pound in nails and switch to our epistemological hammer, things proceed more smoothly.

This is very wordy, but there's no direct way to express the idea that self is an illusion, a convenient one, but an illusion nonetheless. In words, you end up forced to "talk around" it, which tends to become pretty convoluted and metaphysical rather quickly.

Good luck unraveling this. I need to formulate this more concisely and coherently, since I've been forced to retype essentially this theory (there is no self) several times now...

-- Tom

Re: Facing Up to the Problem of Consciousness
posted on 02/08/2003 2:26 PM by Pav1

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I think a system as complex as the brain can be modelled by studying its behaviour, but cannot be reproduced as easily.

The nervous impulses emanating from our eyes manifest themselves to us as sight along with advanced features such as motion detection and recognition, courtesy of those neural nets in our brains. Pain is also a manifestation of nerve impulses. Therein lies the problem. This manifestation cannot be reproduced electronically. That lump of robotic wires can 'know' but cannot 'hurt' - in the sense that a human 'hurts'. For how do you manifest pain electronically? According to me, that is the true mystery.

This area has been covered by Isaac Asimov - he mentions brains that are positronic, rather than electronic (the correlation of quantum mechanics to thought isnt going to get us anywhere, but no doubt its convenient :-) ); The robots he conceived of are capable of 'feeling', and he reminds us that we should accept the fact that machines modelling the human brain are due the same levels of respect.

The mechanism of feeling, it seems to me is a multistep process. The brain first registers the impulse received, and the fact that something has been registered causes subsequent nervous impulses which are manifested as 'feeling'. Neuronic processing is circular in nature, with layers of 'feedback' to other layers.

Conciousness - its like a daemon, running in the background, tracking the total of all impulses received from all senses, plus any 'thoughts going through our minds'... if we focus our attention to it, the thought processes/ neural activity can be 'felt', because the impulses being registered are causing subsequent impulses manifested as 'feeling'.

One possible way of looking at it from a neural structure point of view can be that there are two kinds of structures - those which compute, and those which track the computation, manifesting what we call conciousness.

Conciousness is then, by my definition, simply the awareness of neural activity itself.

P.S. Gosh its 4 am - gotta get to bed - please disregard the above as crap without taking due offence.

Re: Facing Up to the Problem of Consciousness
posted on 02/09/2003 1:30 AM by zoe

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i think we need to not make any problems

Re: Facing Up to the Problem of Consciousness
posted on 07/31/2003 7:08 PM by grantcc

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It seems to me that too many people are trying to explain the emergence of a system that is greater than the sum of its parts by simply examining the parts. Understanding the parts is necessary for an explanation but not sufficient. I think the "hard" part of the problem is explaining how the parts in combination produce something above and beyond what each part is capable of contributing to the process. A solution to the problem may lie in theories about complexity that are being developed by the Santa Fe Institute.

Re: Facing Up to the Problem of Consciousness
posted on 09/23/2003 3:33 AM by Specter

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I'm a year late posting. I suppose this is for posterity's sake. I very much enjoyed the article. I have a couple comments about conscioiusness, at least human consciousness. There are a number of Buddhist writings on the matter. The general agreement between the various sects is that consciousness is transitory in nature. At any given time it is a belief that we are whatever that state is that we are focused on. Every state holds a certain number of behaviors, emotions, attitudes, and beliefs. We tend to verify this belief of who we are, or of our own consciouisness, by comparing ourselves to others, especially others in similar states. And so consciousness tends to take on a belief of what a group, community, or society believes it is or should be. Buddhism believes that pure consciousness really cannot be measured or observed because it really isn't manifested in a physical sense, thus the reason for a body, to house and allow consciousness to experience. Zen texts go on to say that this consciousness is not truly separate in the sense that there is really a "you" and really an "I". Instead it is more of an all-inclusive "I". Instead it, in a sense, separates itself to become a "you" and an "I" so that it has a way of experiencing. Yoga texts explain this phenomenon by asking the question, "How can the eye observe itself?" This idea of conscioiusness needing and object so that it can become a subject and therby identify and understand itself is in a number of psychological theories. Probably the earliest that comes to mind is by Martin Buber, a Jewish mystic, who wrote, "I and Thou". What I'm saying is that maybe you're chasing a phantom of your own creation. If we don't even understand our own consciousness, as Buddhists believe, it is transitory in nature, then how can we truly apply this to AI? And yet wouldn't we truly be missing the whole experience of the attempt to explore consciousness, both human and AI?
While I'm rambling, my answer to the author's question of why we have such rich internal experiences from physical experiences is based on a more esoteric theory. That theory proposes that the body is made up of a number of major systems, each complemented by a number of subsystems. As the experience of the physical system moves through the other systems it triggers further textures and meanings that the physical system itself cannot supply. The Zen theory of any phenomenon is that it is experienced in small packets of space and time called Nen. These Nen are are processed by the body in 3 ways simultaneously. There is the actual raw experience, there is the observation of the experience, and there is the interpretation of the observation of the experience. I'm going much farther than I thought I was going to go. I guess I had more than I thought. There is much more that I wish to say but my point is that if you look at human functioning, really look, you can see that almost everything a human does, thinks, even feels, cal be likened to a very sophisticated computer housed in a very sophisticated body. These notions have been theorized over and over again by Yogis and Buddhists probably for thousands of years. Certain Yogic texts actually call it science, but it isn't objective science. It is considered a subjective science of one's inner and outer life. Please consider that maybe much of your work about consciousness has been done if you look in other areas. I wish you much luck. In Buddhism the journey itself is enlightenment.

Happy awareness-seeking

Re: Facing Up to the Problem of Consciousness
posted on 01/12/2005 10:44 AM by anyguy

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I think conciousness is something that comes with your ability to control your environment. Toolmaking or technology. Put some more order to your environment (R. Kurzweil, Law of Time and Chaos) and soonly you will reach a perception of time. Because you have control on the sequence of events.

Conciousness is an inevitable phenomenon simply because at certain point you have so much control over and intervention with the physical world around that you suddenly find your self to be 'I', the very subject(1). Since you have the capacity to act like one.

Counciousness may be defined as constructing a conceptual interaction among self, universe and time. Time comes with conciousness, when you have so much control over the universe (or in a way your self,)- lets say, being able to mate, eat anytime you want, either because you have better tools or intellect to hunt or collect and keep-; then a different or more meaningful sequence of events comes to your perception. Simply because you have at some degree, control over it, enough to make it a sequence, in other words create information.

(1) Gottlob Frege, the great logician of the early 20th century, made the obvious but crucial observation that a first-person subject has to be the subject of something. In which case we can ask, what kind of something is up to doing the job? What kind of thing is of sufficient metaphysical weight to supply the experiential substrate of a self ' or, at any rate, a self worth having '

R.Kurzweil's

Law of Accelerating Returns As order exponentially increases, time exponentially speeds up (i.e., the time interval between salient events grows shorter as time passes).
Law of Increasing Chaos As chaos exponentially increases, time exponentially slows down (i.e., the time interval between salient events grows longer as time passes).
Law of Time and Chaos In a process, the time interval between salient events (i.e., events that change the nature of the process, or significantly affect the future of the process) expands or contracts along with the amount of chaos.

Re: Facing Up to the Problem of Consciousness
posted on 01/24/2005 4:54 PM by itopal

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I've seen research which indicates our body responds to possible danger before we consciously realize what's happening.


1.) Option 1: That would simply be a delay in transmission to the cerebral cortex; your lower more primitive areas; functioning; your lower brain reacting; motorizing; your body parts; or causing adrenaline to be released; prior to arrival in the higher level; or arena of a complex sensory experience processing (the cerebral cortex).
2.) Option 2: You did perceive it, but not sure how. Example: it might be a inaudible sound wave detected yet not heard in terms of a audible sound, or a scent you are unaware you are smelling.
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After reading the article and all the subsequent posts;
I have a few general comments:

Some of the attempts to define 'consciousness' sound like typical philosophical obfuscation.

The first error is the assumption consciousness exists.
That would lead you to believe you can create it, replicate it.
Simulate it - yes.
My assumption is that: you can simulate mind, reduce a mind to processes without 'consciousness' this seems more plausible, the philosophical implication being no 'ghost' in the AI-machine, nor in the biological-machine.

The complexity of sensory experiences does not equate to the mystical ambiguity of the term: consciousness.
Nor does a centralized experience of simultaneous multiple sensory inputs; simultaneous multiple sense processing; of experiences equate to the mystical ambiguity of the term: consciousness. This is just complexity of mind.

A plant in a sense has consciousness; in terms of a sensory experience, it is heliotropism - the ability to determine; by sensory perceptions; the location of the sun; and to modify its physical structures, by turning itself in the direction of the sun, in response to that sensory input determination.

But this (plant example) is not complexity of mind, nor does it 'feel' like it implies 'consciousness' in terms of what we want to consider what our human 'consciousness' is.

It seems to me the reason why we feel 'consciousness' has more to do with the complexity of emotional effects on perception; the feel of an experience; the senses them-self; together with the brains ability to store the knowledge of a 'feeling' along with the associated imagery; or vice versa.

Idea!
To make a AI-robot think it possesses consciousness would require an intricate and integrated component structure that makes the AI-mind think it's feeling; it mirrors the complexity of feeling. Without a sensory feel to all of reality, we will not be able to delude an AI-mind into thinking that it is consciousness.

A robot would not just calculate the temperature of a fire when it put its robot finger into the flame. It would feel pain and react to the pain; not the calculation. Then its AI-mind would have to be able to contemplate upon that experience; and store the feel along with value along with imagery and there be a connection bound in the memory of such. Even then it would still be a simulation. Unless the complexity becomes so great the AI-mind can't tell it's a simulation, then the delusion of mystical 'consciousness' would be complete and it (AI) might think that it was 'conscious.'

It seems to me that an experience is a coalescence of multiple centers of sensory experience; including feeling the experience; we remember the feeling as well as words and/or imagery.

Idea!
Remove emotion and all of the 'feel' from experiences and a human; lacking this additional coloring of all experiences; might conclude that it is merely a living thinking machine. The living thinking machine might conclude there is no such thing as this mystical ambiguity called 'consciousness.'

Re: Facing Up to the Problem of Consciousness
posted on 09/30/2005 5:57 PM by Scottbert

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Okay, I'm many years late and haven't read all the discussion up to this point, but I felt the need to post my thoughts. I wonder how many posts just like this one, in intent and perhaps content, are already here.

At first reading this, I feared that the entire article would go on and on about how all attempts to explain consciousness have failed, and thus it cannot be explained - I was pleasantly surprised by just how far the article went. An interesting thing to me is that I inferred ahead of the article at one point - as soon as Experience was proposed to be a basic thing like electromagnetism or gravity or matter or force, it did occur to me to wonder then, what if everything has experience?

As given with the later example of mouse and thermostat, I pondered similarly the experiences of a dog and a cardboard box, and the moral implications. Hypothetically, if a cardboard box or thermostat has experience, is it immoral to damage such an object? It seems to me that the reason we consider causing physical damage to people and animals immoral is that it causes them unpleasant experiences, those of pain and perhaps of reduced quality of life after the injury. First off, of course, a thermostat has no structure through which to sense pain, but even a paralyzed person might dislike the idea of having their immobile, unfeeling body damaged. Perhaps tommorrow I'll look back at this post and laugh at myself for writing a sentence like this, but if a thermostat had experience, it would be an experience incapable of concieving of, let alone actually having, any desire for its 'body' to continue in an undamaged state, or even, supposing that information gives rise to experience, to concieve of or experience fear for its ability to measure temperature, and thus its experience, destroyed. Animals, on the other hand, have an interest in survival even if they lack the capacity to philosophize about it.

And with that out of the way, now I'm typing as I think. What just popped into my head, then, is the question of, would it be immoral to, say, destroy a computer? It certainly is capable of processing a lot of information, and thus may have complicated experiences. But another component I think the article mentioned was not only the ability to process information, but to act on it, and a computer cannot act on its own. Of course, neither can a paralyzed person. Hmm. Obviously, I consider destroying the paralyzed person to be immoral, unless they desire it... I guess the question here then is what gives rise to a desire for continued existence in the first place? Humans, for example, normally desire to continue to exist. Suicidal humans are so because they feel that no experience would be better than their present, extremely unpleasant experience. Perhaps a question to pursue here is, for something to desire life, must it be capable of, in some theoretical situation, desiring death? But before even pondering what gives rise to the capability to desire death, it comes to mind there should be observable evidence, since I've postulated that animals desire continued existance, that animals in terribly unpleasant situations might desire death. Animals may not be smart enough to take drugs, but they're smart enough to think of _something_, surely. I've never heard of any reports of suicidal animals, but that could be because I lack any fascination with death and so would not have gone out of my way to encounter such accounts. Anyway, at the moment I feel like saying animals have enough experience to desire continued life, so I shall continue on that assumption.
Now where was I? Ah yes, what makes the paralyzed person different from the computer? Perhaps it is that the paralyzed person was once able to affect his environment of his own free will, and even after losing it retains something that allows him to wish he could affect it, and thus wish for continued life or an end thereto. Perhaps it's more than that - humans wish for events they cannot bring about (or see a way to bring about) all the time. Two things to me occur quick in succession after this: First, that humans are different from almost all animals in that they can actually achieve far more than what is implied by the physical limits of their bodies - they can make and use tools to do things impossible for an unaided human. Following this, humans are able to _concieve_ of doing such things. I can concieve of building some powerful machine, and I can concieve more abstract things like making a great scientific discovery.
Clearly it is impossible for a being to do such things purposefully without the ability to concieve of them first. Therfore, humans (or rather, their ancestors) must have first developed the ability to _concieve_ of abstracts such as '_what if_ I chip parts of this rock off with another rock until I get something sharp?' before actually doing things like tool use. I suppose perhaps to some extent tool use could be instinctual, but at some point scientific understanding, however basic and limited, is required.
Now back to the computer. It processes a lot of information, but it is told how to process it - all of it. Even 'empty' hard drive space. Perhaps there is an experience related to all those electrons moving around, but there is no structure to support memory of that experience or for the computer to concieve of anything or even just think at all on its own. So, this is different from the experience of, say, an intelligent computer program itself, which could have structures in place to use RAM and hard drives for memory and self-guided cognition.
At first, a computer program seems different from a human because it lives in an electronic world, isolated from the physical world or any way of feeling with the box that houses it. But that's no different from the idea of a human mind hooked up, Matrix-like, to nonphysical world. And of course, it could be given a robot body. Though at first I'm still imagining this imaginary electronic entity living inside the hard drive rather than as a living thing complete with body, but when I think about it, it's no different from humans - whatever causes experience as humans know it, it is somehow tied to psychological processes that go on in our brain, even if we don't know how they work or understand our brain's counterpart to, say, the computer's file system.
Of course, there is no logical reason why an intelligent computer program by definition must understand how its 'brain' works at the basic level. Heck, it wouldn't even have to know how to use a computer!
Perhaps that's a problem with one typical mental image of a new AI. When I think of an artificial intelligence being developed, my first mental image is of a program that, aside from being able to think and remember, all it can do is send and recieve text. But perhaps it is impossible to develop an AI that way. Certainly you could take a fully-developed AI program (and thus one that already has memory of concepts) and stick it in a box with nothing else to do, but it would be impossible to develop an AI into that state, just as humans did not evolve as hugely intelligent brains with nothing to do. A human blind, deaf, numb, and paralyzed from birth would develop retarded, even if medicine restored its body and senses as an adult. The ability to be aware of words alone will never give rise to the cognitive processes necessary to understand them. But now I'm back in territory already covered by that Cog project, though I postulate that the physical world needn't necessarily be the world an AI is developed in - a virtual approximation would probably do as well, as long as anything the AI needs a physical understanding of can exist in it.
All this still leaves me with one question: Why did humans develop the ability to understand, to think about, to process _ideas_? I can't think of an answer to that, perhaps it was only a random chance mutation. (The question is only what started it, why humans' ancestors developed the ability in the first place - once they've got it, there's a clear evolutionary advantage to being better at it, and chance mutations in being slightly better or slightly worse at something an organism can already do seem reasonably likely compared to the chance of just developing a new ability, one like nothing before, out of the blue. Perhaps it's a natural development of something else - I can imagine instinctive use of very simple, natural tools, and perhaps the mental processes involved in that start a creature down the path of intelligence... or not, if some other niche proved more evolutionarily useful, which would explain why, if apes and humans share a common ancestor, apes didn't evolve to be just as smart as we are.)
Anyway, I think I've been writing and thinking for like an hour or so now, and so I caution that everything I've typed, especially near the end, may not have been thought through clearly (evolutionarily doesn't sound like a real word...). In any case, you now have a window into the train of thought of a human with ADD philosophising. Thank you, and goodnight.

Re: Facing Up to the Problem of Consciousness
posted on 02/03/2007 6:56 PM by ellumbra

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An age old topic, so no penalties for adding a reply 2 years later.
To my mind, this topic spins upons a very fine point, like a top spinning, a dog chasing it's own tale. Would we agree that at the precise centre of the point (does such a point exist at all?) upon which it spins there is a place of stillness, where nothing is spinning?
Unfortunately, philosophical discussions are sometimes deemed to be at odds with rational, traditional scientific methods (for whatever reasons).
When it comes to the subject of consciousness however, I feel that the answers may only come through philosophical debate.

My reasons are as follows:

*Consciousness is purely and entirely known subjectively. It may be deduced objectively, but not experienced.
*The only suitable method of studying consciousness therefore is with consciousness itself. No other means can measure or have access to it accurately or meaningfully.
*Consciousness belongs, holistically in the universe. It only has meaning when viewed holistically in our lives. It is the central point at which all our internal/external activity is experienced, felt, known.
It is the knowledge of being.
*It is so profound, that this universe possesses consciousness, that I would go so far as saying that it is THE most profound aspect.

I know little of any use about quantum physics, wave theory, ERM etc. But the previous poster did make (to me) a lot of sense.
My life only makes sense to me when I view it holistically, not stripping it down to a list of components. The universe will only make sense when viewed holistically (some task, eh?). Certainly not by reducing it's most profound aspect to "just another component".
What possible rhyme or reason could there be, for a whole universe (OK we're bordering on the "spiritual" now folks, hold on to your tempers) this whole creation without consciousness?
That would simply reduce everything to non-feeling, non-knowing robotics, even at it's highest level.
Ultimately, everything, from the big bang, backwards & forwards in time must be viewed holistically, at which point all of us must throw in the towel and concede to some sort of power being responsible for the whole conception.
Consciousness, in it's mind numbing novelty, it's awesome originality (it is isn't it?)surely is not a bi-product, a side effect?

BOLD STATEMENT:
Science will never touch consciousness.
All matter is conscious, because that consciousness itself is the finest, most subtle form of energy that exists, therefore it is everywhere, all at once, in all things and is self-knowing.
It is indestructable.
It is experienced by all things (as that is it's nature) but can only be expressed or demonstrated or acted upon by those things that have the wherewithall to express, demonstrate or act upon it.
It can only be known by those things that have the ability to reflect upon it.
Or you could say "It is the holy breath within creation".

I tried to crystalise these thoughts poetically
some while ago:

The Zen garden
A moment of stillness
Petrified in time
Ripples in the gravel
So devotionally raked
Halted in their disturbance
Caught in mid pace
Shades of grey
The middle path they say
Between black and white
Half the way to certainty

Worn smooth
By mountain torrents
Quite at ease
Though far from home
The centrepiece
A dome of stone
Frozen
Flexing its back
Like a cat
A glimpse perhaps
A crack in continuity
A portal for intuition
Sentient feeling
Knowledge and will
Always existed

Soon after
That first long
Wistful sigh
When space
Clotted into worlds
Before the gardener came
To rake and tend
Were stones the guardians
Of awareness
Perfectly at one
Silent and sure
Today tomorrow
And evermore

Re: Facing Up to the Problem of Consciousness
posted on 02/03/2007 11:27 PM by mystic7

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Thanks mindxmoderator for that post. I found that very enlightening. I like Chalmers idea that experience is a fundamental of the cosmos like matter and energy.

Re: Facing Up to the Problem of Consciousness
posted on 02/14/2007 8:09 AM by extrasense

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It should be said, that this article is real stuff. It passes the smell test that 99.9% of the articles that are discussed here fail :)

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Re: Facing Up to the Problem of Consciousness
posted on 09/16/2007 4:08 AM by NotEqualwithGod

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I think we have to begin understanding our experience of Consciousness under the idea that a part(s) (i.e. redundancy) of the brain is specialized at integrating all the other specialized data into a unified/focused point which we call our "awake" state. When we experience consciousness, we are really looking at the DATA inside our visual memory, we aren't experiencing the "outside world" so much as we are experiencing the "inside world".

"Subjective experience" is simply a "modality", in other words they are irrelevant.

If we really think about it "objective" and "subjective" as concepts break down, we all experience consciousness in our minds imagination, we don't experience outside ourselves, we experience the outside world from the inside out, not vice versa.

I think "phantom limb" syndrome seen in amputees is an excellent example of subjective experience being "hardwired" or "hardcoded" into the brains modalities, what we experience as subjective is in fact simply the result of how that part of the brain is structured to interpret the world.

I really don't see "reductionism" is such a problem, I think it's really a matter of understanding the physics of it. We simply are not advanced enough (in terms of physics + biology + information science) to figure it out just yet.

Our consciousness is really is only possible because the certain part of the brain controlling ou awake vs non-awake state is functioning,

We might call this "consciousness center" the 'integrated awake modality', where seperate specialized networks in the brain are connected to each other each other in "Unified rings", that make sense disparate data and this data is woven together in real time (literally woven out of data in the 'subconscious' autonmous processes of our mind).

There's a reason the brain tries to connect neurons to so many other neurons, it's this ability to take any data and translate it back and forth between the different formats other modalities (parts of the brain) use, since there what the brain really is, is a fractal similarity engine, it can make and find extremely comparisons and relationships in mere seconds.

We also INVENT new relationships and create new objects on the fly depending on the data, I think of it like Set theory, we create and destroy sets of information over time depending on use and value to the mind.

You can also see our minds ability to find complicated fractal relationships, in our metaphors and analogies, THIS is SIMILAR to THAT because it has these similarly shaped data-elements (patterns).

When the things we're speaking about are damn complex and "subjective" (i.e. vague, we don't even understand its structure of what we perceive consciously as discrete units of data or signals).