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    We Are Becoming Cyborgs
by   Ray Kurzweil

The union of human and machine is well on its way. Almost every part of the body can already be enhanced or replaced, even some of our brain functions. Subminiature drug delivery systems can now precisely target tumors or individual cells. Within two to three decades, our brains will have been "reverse-engineered": nanobots will give us full-immersion virtual reality and direct brain connection with the Internet. Soon after, we will vastly expand our intellect as we merge our biological brains with non-biological intelligence.


Published March 15, 2002

We are growing more intimate with our technology. Computers started out as large remote machines in air-conditioned rooms tended by white coated technicians. Subsequently they moved onto our desks, then under our arms, and now in our pockets. Soon, we'll routinely put them inside our bodies and brains. Ultimately we will become more nonbiological than biological.

We already have devices to replace our hips, knees, shoulders, elbows, wrists, jaws, teeth, skin, arteries, veins, heart valves, arms, legs, feet, fingers, and toes. Systems to replace more complex organs (e.g., our hearts) are starting to work.

The age of neural implants is well under way. We have brain implants based on "neuromorphic" modeling (i.e., reverse engineering of the human brain and nervous system) for a rapidly growing list of brain regions. A friend of mine who became deaf while an adult can now engage in telephone conversations again because of his cochlear implant, a device which interfaces directly with his auditory cortex. He plans to replace it with a new model with a thousand levels of frequency discrimination, which will enable him to hear music once again. He has had the same melodies playing in his head for the past fifteen years, he laments, and is looking forward to hearing some new tunes. A future generation of cochlear implants now on the drawing board will provide levels of frequency discrimination that go significantly beyond that of "normal" hearing.

Researchers at MIT and Harvard are developing neural implants to replace damaged retinas. There are brain implants for Parkinson's patients that communicate directly with the ventral posterior nucleus and subthalmic nucleus regions of the brain to reverse the most devastating symptoms of this disease. An implant for people with cerebral palsy and multiple sclerosis communicates with the ventral lateral thalamus and has been effective in controlling tremors. "Rather than treat the brain like soup, adding chemicals that enhance or suppress certain neurotransmitters," says Rick Trosch, an American physician helping to pioneer these therapies, "we're now treating it like circuitry."

A variety of techniques are being developed to provide the communications bridge between the wet analog world of biological information processing and digital electronics. Researchers at Germany's Max Planck Institute have developed noninvasive devices that can communicate with neurons in both directions. They demonstrated their "neuron transistor" by controlling the movements of a living leech from a personal computer. Similar technology has been used to reconnect leech neurons and to coax them to perform simple logical and arithmetic problems. Scientists are now experimenting with a new design called "quantum dots," which uses tiny crystals of semiconductor material to connect electronic devices with neurons.

These developments provide the promise of reconnecting broken neural pathways for people with nerve damage and spinal cord injuries. It has long been thought that recreating these pathways would only be feasible for recently injured patients because nerves gradually deteriorate when unused. A recent discovery, however, shows the feasibility of a neuroprosthetic system for patients with long-standing spinal cord injuries. Researchers at the University of Utah asked a group of long-term quadriplegic patients to move their limbs in a variety of ways and then observed the response of their brains using magnetic resonance imaging. Although the neural pathways to their limbs had been inactive for many years, the pattern of their brain activity when attempting to move their limbs was very close to that observed in non-disabled persons. We will, therefore, be able to place sensors in the brain of a paralyzed person (e.g., Christopher Reeve), which will be programmed to recognize the brain patterns associated with intended movements, and then stimulate the appropriate sequence of muscle movements. For those patients whose muscles no longer function, there are already designs for "nanoelectromechanical" systems (NEMS) that can expand and contract to replace damaged muscles and that can be activated by either real or artificial nerves.

Intelligent machines are already making their way into our blood stream. There are dozens of projects underway to create blood stream-based "biological microelectromechanical systems" (bioMEMS) to intelligently scout out pathogens and deliver medications in very precise ways. For example, a researcher at the University of Illinois at Chicago has created a tiny capsule with pores measuring only 7 nanometers. The pores let insulin out in a controlled manner but prevent antibodies from invading the capsule. These capsules have cured rats with type I Diabetes. Similar systems could precisely deliver dopamine to the brain for Parkinson's patients, provide blood-clotting factors for patients with hemophilia, and deliver cancer drugs directly to tumor sites. A new design provides up to 20 substance-containing reservoirs that can release their cargo at programmed times and locations in the body.

Kensall Wise, an electrical engineer at the University of Michigan has developed a tiny neural probe that can provide precise monitoring of the electrical activity of patients with neural diseases. Future designs are expected to also deliver drugs to precise locations in the brain. Kazushi Ishiyama at Tohoku University in Japan has developed micromachines that use microscopic sized spinning screws to deliver drugs to small cancer tumors. A particularly innovative micromachine developed by Sandia National Labs has actual microteeth with a jaw that opens and closes to trap individual cells and then implant them with substances such as DNA, proteins or drugs. There are already at least four major scientific conferences on bioMEMS and other approaches to developing micro and nano scale machines to go into the body and blood stream.

One of the leading proponents of "nanomedicine," and author of a book with the same name is Robert Freitas, Research Scientist at nanotechnology firm Zyvex Corp. Freitas' ambitious manuscript is a comprehensive road map to rearchitecting our biological heritage. One of Freitas' designs is to replace (or augment) our red blood cells with artificial "respirocytes," that would enable us to hold our breath for four hours, or to do a top-speed sprint for 15 minutes without taking a breath (another formidable challenge for athletic contest drug tests). He envisions micron-size artificial platelets which could achieve hemostatis (bleeding control) up to 1,000 times faster than biological platelets. Freitas describes nanorobotic microbivores that will download software to destroy specific infections hundreds of times faster than antibiotics, and that will be effective against all bacterial, viral and fungal infections with no limitations of drug resistance.

The coming merger of human and machine. The compelling benefits in overcoming profound diseases and disabilities will keep these technologies on a rapid course, but medical applications represent only the early adoption phase. As the technologies become established, there will be no barriers to using them for the expansion of human potential. Moreover, all of the underlying technologies are accelerating. The power of computation has grown at a double exponential rate for all of the past century, and will continue to do so well into this century through the power of three-dimensional computing. Communication bandwidths and the pace of brain reverse engineering are also quickening. Meanwhile, according to my models, the size of technology is shrinking at a rate of 5.6 per linear dimension per decade, which will make nanotechnology ubiquitous during the 2020s.

By the end of this decade, computing will disappear as a discrete technology that we need to carry with us. We'll routinely have high-resolution images encompassing the entire visual field written directly to our retinas from our eyeglasses and contact lenses (DoD is already using technology along these lines from Microvision, a company based in Bothell, Washington). We'll have very high-speed wireless connection to the Internet at all times. The electronics for all of this will be embedded in our clothing. These very personal computers circa 2010 will enable us to meet with each other in full immersion, visual-auditory, virtual reality environments as well as augment our vision with location and time specific information at all times.

By 2030, electronics will utilize molecule-sized circuits, the reverse engineering of the human brain will have been completed, and bioMEMS will have evolved into bioNEMS (biological nanoelectromechanical systems). It will be routine to have billions of nanobots (i.e., nano-scale robots) coursing through the capillaries of our brains, communicating with each other (over a wireless local area network), as well as with our biological neurons and with the Internet. One application will be to provide full immersion virtual reality that encompasses all of our senses. When we want to enter a virtual reality environment, the nanobots replace the signals from our real senses with the signals that our brain would receive if we were actually in the virtual environment.

We will have a panoply of virtual environments to choose from, including Earthly worlds that we are familiar with, as well as those with no Earthly counterpart. We will be able to go to these virtual places, and have any kind of interaction with other real (as well as simulated) people, ranging from business negotiations to sensual encounters. In virtual reality, we won't be restricted to a single personality as we will be able to change our appearance and become other people.

"Experience beamers" will beam their entire flow of sensory experiences as well as the neurological correlates of their emotional reactions out on the web just as people today beam their bedroom images from their web cams. A popular pastime will be to plug in to someone else's sensory-emotional beam and experience what it's like to be someone else, à la the plot concept of the movie "Being John Malkovich." There will also be a vast selection of archived experiences to choose from. The design of virtual environments, and the creation of archived full-immersion experiences will become new art forms.

The most important application of circa 2030 nanobots will be to literally expand our minds. We're limited today to a mere hundred trillion interneuronal connections, which we will be able to augment by adding virtual connections via nanobot communication. This will provide us with the opportunity to vastly expand our pattern recognition abilities, memories, and overall thinking capacity as well as to directly interface with powerful forms of nonbiological intelligence.

It's important to note that once nonbiological intelligence gets a foothold in our brains (a threshold we've already passed), it will grow exponentially, as is the accelerating nature of information-based technologies. Note that a one inch cube of nanotube circuitry (which is already working at small scales in laboratories) will be at least a million times more powerful than the human brain. By 2040, the nonbiological portion of our intelligence will be far more powerful than the biological portion. It will, however, still be part of the human-machine civilization, having been derived from human intelligence, i.e., created by humans (or machines created by humans) and based at least in part on the reverse engineering of the human nervous system.

Stephen Hawking recently commented in the German magazine Focus that computer intelligence will surpass that of humans within a few decades. He advocated that we "develop as quickly as possible technologies that make possible a direct connection between brain and computer, so that artificial brains contribute to human intelligence rather than opposing it." Hawking can take comfort that the development program he is recommending is well under way.

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We Are Becoming Cyborgs
posted on 03/16/2002 1:40 AM by jJarbles@subject.com

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Excellent writing...

I suppose a red light began blinking immediately when I started thinking of all of the "implants." Although when you began talking of nanotechnology I felt that you got somewhat back on track. I consider implants and mechanical replacements archaic. Placing an artificial leg on a patient is only somewhat more advanced then giving him a wooden peg.

These implants, are they really the answer to all of our problems? They seem like a primitive if not bulky placeholder for the real thing. I think that it is anti-technology to be placing primitive parts into our bodies. Why not replace missing appendages with real appendages? Or the aging heart... the easy solution is a mechanical one, but what if a real one that is native to the body can be placed inside or even re-grown internally? The real technological breakthrough is rebuilding the things that are meant to be there.

I personally believe that nanotechnology is the future. It isn't a matter of replacing old organs with new hardware. Implanting a device to return hearing? A hearing aid directly wired to the brain is just an enhance cone placed in the ear (So Primitive). What about re-growing all of the internal mechanisms of the auditory lobe?

Nanotechnology is the ability to have accuracy greater then the hand and scalpel. Instead of taking medicines that throw our whole homeostasis off balance, we will be able to target specific organs and sections of the body. Why create a bridge between segments of a severed spinal cord? Nanobots will easily reconnect the two parts.

The fine line between biology and electronics is indeed becoming more blurred. I predict that organic mechanisms will eventually be the well-suited design for most of our medical needs. A new breed of scientist working with both biology and electrical engineering will create accurate cures for all ailments.

I enjoyed your writing particularly for the thoughts it sparked in my mind. Something that many intellectuals have been interested in is the idea of making a robot "live". What parameters need to be met to consider something alive? I suppose the conundrum is: As we become more and more robotic will we reach a point where we are no longer alive?

Re: We Are Becoming Cyborgs
posted on 03/16/2002 7:36 AM by tomaz@techemail.com

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> As we become more and more robotic will we reach a point where we are no longer alive?

We are already made of non alive stuff - atoms - exclusively. "Alive" and "non alive" has no sense in fact.

What really makes you "alive" is a special informational process called - self awareness. You should worry for your self awareness. It's the most precious jewel of this Universe.

- Thomas

Re: We Are Becoming Cyborgs
posted on 03/17/2002 6:27 PM by Citizen Blue

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As we are conquering the universe, let us go back to the first great philosopher Socrates; know thyself; What does it mean to be you and simply you. Not all the geometry or robotics in the universe will ever supercede the need for individuality; remember this when subscribing to all the ideas and ideals of others. Yes we are becoming more cyborg; however this will not, I believe necessarily be a bad thing. I believe that their will be particular behavior in a general universe. Many believe that we are being sunk into a sea of placid flatness; I do not think this is the path we are going. We can look forward to an enjoyable future. We must not let the friction of reactionary thought keep us from attaining the superpaths of the future.

Re: We Are Becoming Cyborgs
posted on 06/22/2002 3:24 PM by imara@cheerful.com

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The diffience between Man and Machine is The Soul.
Man has a Soul that will Live Forever.
The Point is - where will this Soul Live?
The Soul of Man, which is the true being, can spend eternity in a place known as Heaven or a place known as Hell.
The key to going to Heaven when we leave this life is knowing Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ is The Door to Heaven.
Jesus said,:I am The Way, The Truth, and The Life, no man can come to The Father, GOD but by Me.

Re: We Are Becoming Cyborgs
posted on 06/23/2002 12:24 PM by tomaz@techemail.com

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Yea ... sure. You are 100 years too late. That could mean even more in 2002. Another world. Christ (if ever was one) was just an ordinary man.

We are not that ordinary any more. :))

- Thomas

Re: We Are Becoming Cyborgs
posted on 04/25/2003 7:47 PM by andrewec

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I am getting tired of mind-body dichotomy debates. People should realize that the Philosopher Ayn Rand has already solved the mind-body dichotomy. The mind controls the body and the body is the life support system for the mind. there is no soul separate from the body.

Things exist which we perceive and we exist posessing consciousness which enables us to percieves the things that exist.

We have self-awareness as was mentioned earlier. In other words we are aware of our environment and aware of ourselves. This feedback loop is the source of our intelligence and an artificial intelligence would have to have self-awareness in order to have real intelligence (intelligence just like us)

Re: We Are Becoming Cyborgs
posted on 02/11/2006 7:27 PM by nyarlathotep

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The diffience between Man and Machine is The Soul.
Man has a Soul that will Live Forever.
The Point is - where will this Soul Live?
The Soul of Man, which is the true being, can spend eternity in a place known as Heaven or a place known as Hell.
The key to going to Heaven when we leave this life is knowing Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ is The Door to Heaven.
Jesus said,:I am The Way, The Truth, and The Life, no man can come to The Father, GOD but by Me.



I've always considered concepts of heaven and hell and such statements as "you must become as a child" and "It is harder for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven" as metaphors to help you live better happier lives, not deaths.

By promising better treatment after death and the pleasure/ displeasure of an invisible god, religions are able to make promises that there is absolutely no way of making good on.
You can't see, hear or touch God so you only have imagination (and the priesthood) to tell you if 'He's' happy, and I've never yet managed to have a conversation with a dead person to confirm the whole heaven/hell deal either.

The whole thing when taken like that is a confidence scam, with no pay out.. which is a damn shame because if you sift the pearls from the pigshit there is some really usefull stuff in religion.

in short Get well soon hun

Re: We Are Becoming Cyborgs
posted on 06/24/2002 1:02 PM by imara@cheerful.com

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BEYOND CYBORG DEATH - What road will The Soul of Man take after Death?

JESUS CHRIST said:

I am The Way to another Realm. The Realm called Heaven.

I am The Truth - Satan is The Lie, The Deceiver.

I am The Life - Eternal Life is found in CHRIST JESUS ONLY.

CHRIST also came to give abundance in this Life.

There is no Other Way of inherting Eternal Life.

Only JESUS CHRIST can Forgive Sin and Cleanse The Soul from All Unrighteousness.

Visit www.biblegateway.com and read these verses:

John 6:14
John 10:7 - 11
John 14:6
1 John 1:8 - 10

CONSCIOUSNESS IS ETERNAL.

Re: We Are Becoming Cyborgs
posted on 02/08/2006 7:52 PM by Phenostoic

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I feel as though I must comment on this entry, though I am aware that my post is coming long after imara's initial response.

For anyone who may lay their eyes upon this, I would like to state, that when it comes to talking about truth and philosophy and speaking objectively, it is important to understand that belief is nothing more than a subjective understanding. It is a fact that one can believe in something that in reality can be far from what is "real," thus leading me to tie this in to imara's post.

Religion is a well organized system of belief, it is not know or proven to be truth. To bring religion into a topic such as this might very well be exposing a limited train of thought. To solicit beliefs in "Jesus" and the "Bible" you are no longer participating in this discussion in hopes to build on a theory, but more so trying to impose your beliefs on others.

Most intellectuals know that in order to objectively address an issue, you must look at the phenomena from all sides, this includes not basing an argument on an assumption that is "The Bible," or any other unproven belief for that matter. We are all aware that no matter how many people believe it, or how much a person might feel it, the fact is that it might just be a large misunderstanding, and that is something that we must all accept if we are to live humbly amongst one another.

If you would like to put in a word to an objective thread, please state your argument in a form of logic, something that can be explained, observed, and tested. If your argument does not hold any solid variables that are of use to the human mind in establishing an understanding over the matter, please do reconsider participating in these types of discussion... for you might end up frustrating those who would like to build on a philosophy or idea, especially those who are sensitive over the topic of religion.

May your arguments be as organized and objective as feasibly possible, good day. - GIL

Re: We Are Becoming Cyborgs
posted on 10/23/2002 10:52 AM by Bob

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I found your page absoluteley hilarious. It was great the way you researched so many subjects and managed to get so much so wrong. I especially liked your bizarre belief that appearence and personality are the same thing. I hope you carry on with your mad tales because they really are good fun. It reminded me of when you watch programs from the sixties, where they believed by the year 2000 we would all have hovercars and inhabit various solar systems across the universe.

Re: We Are Becoming Cyborgs
posted on 10/23/2002 11:07 AM by Bob

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If you wish to replace what already existed then cloning is the answer not nanotechnology. Also the ability to clone a human being is probably complete whereas we don't even understand nanocrystal behaviour, such as the real reason behind "blinking" and how to make them completley biocompatible without destroying their properties, so nanobots are something that we are very unlikely to see in our lifetimes.

I think all you people are taken in too easily by what sounds fun and by what 'could happen' to actually think about the likelyhood of these technoligies ever having any influence on our lives. You managed to miss out how advanced these ideas are in comparison to the mainstream technology and then spouted out time scales of only 20 or 30 years. There is no technological revolution occuring at present and realistically there isn't even one on the horizon.

In actual fact there is even reasonable evidence to suggest that we haven't even made it to the moon and I hear people talking about nanotechnology that will be able to cure everything! We are evolving slowly, and if any of this ever occurs it will also be slowly, one step at a time!!

Re: We Are Becoming Cyborgs
posted on 04/17/2003 6:46 AM by JoeFrat

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What hole have you been living in. To say that we are not living in a technological revolution is quite absurd. You would have to be totaly ignoring the everyday world. Laptops, cell phones,
L.A.S.E.R. scanners, where were these things 50 years ago? To think that technology won't continue to to advance is hopelessly ignorant.

Re: We Are Becoming Cyborgs
posted on 01/15/2003 7:03 PM by Frank Ogden

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STORY FROM SEATTLE'S "TABLET" NEWSPAPER
JANUARY 2003

POLITICS

Illustration by Anton Bogaty

DR TOMORROW's PRESCRIPTION FOR THE FUTURE
by De Kwok

For Dr. Tomorrow, the future is now. The Vancouver, B.C. resident has been tracking, informing and thinking about the future for a majority of his time on earth. Born Frank Ogden, he has written numerous books, such as This Is The Last Book You Will Ever Read and Navigating in Cyberspace, pontificating on how human beings will live in the near future. But Dr. Tomorrow believes life is best lived and has dedicated himself to traveling, meeting and talking to people around the world. Dr. Tomorrow never stopped living for the future.

In his online digital diary, Dr. Tomorrow presents Ogden's Laws, a series of points on how to exist for maximum life satisfaction ' from the clever ("In times of panic, chaos or rapid change, the bizarre rapidly become acceptable") to the controversial ("The American Constitution is wrong"). Dr. Tomorrow's laws were written 15 years ago and still remain his tenets today. His intelligent assessment of what the future might bring gives us a present day blueprint of how to live our lives.

Not deterred by age ' he is in his seventies ' Dr. Tomorrow embraces the advantages of what medicine, computers, and technology will bring. Although I do not always agree with his assertion, he is one of the most interesting visionaries I've met. One thing is for sure: Dr. Tomorrow will always keep his cyborg eyes clearly aimed at the future.

Tablet: What would you say Dr Tomorrow's agenda is?

Dr Tomorrow: Rather than tell you, let me point out a few examples. Everybody in the world it seems has an agenda. At an early age, from where I know not, I decided I would not follow any conventional path. So far it's working. I have no formal educational qualifications whatsoever. Today, this is my biggest asset. I have always found a way around traditional roadblocks, laws and regulations. Not by avoiding them but by going around, under, through or dissolving them. Example: I read a magazine article about this West Coast hospital doing some early work with psychedelics. It intrigued me.

I went to the hospital, asked to see the Medical Director, and told him I liked what I had read about what they are doing with these new, radical and unusual chemicals and, I wanted to work with him. He asked, "Are you an M.D.? Psychiatrist? Male Nurse? Orderly?" I told him, "None of the above." He pointed out this was a hospital and they did need help in what they were doing, but only medically-skilled people could understand what was happening in this new field. I suggested I would work for him for three months for free and then we both could see if he could afford me. I also pointed out that any new field is like a jungle to most white men. There are no signs, no trails, and no manual. They needed an explorer. I could see the "work free" bit hit one of his hot buttons and my arrogance in pointing out the new field theory caused him to think.

He was J. Ross MacLean and he owned this, the largest psychiatric hospital in western Canada. He had been around, had lots of routine medical experience and in the year prior to my arrival was following orthodox medical principles. They weren't working. I was "in." Not only in right then, but in three weeks I was on the payroll. A monthly contract [and payscale] was agreed upon. And, fire me, if he wished at the end of each, every and any month. I got permission to use the hospital medical library and read through most of it in the two weeks.

Instead of hurdles and problems I see everything and anything as an opportunity. I stayed with the hospital for seven years. I left because a prominent broadcaster that owned 100 percent of 14 radio and television stations heard about me, came to the West Coast to see me and asked what I knew about radio. I told him, "they have two knobs and one vertical stick. One knob turns the radio on and makes noises as you rotate the knob. The other knob moves the stick and the noise changes." "Is that all you know?" That's all I have to know, I'm just listening.

"I want to make you president of my flagship stations in Montreal." The stations went from the bottom to the top of the ratings in the city in the first year.

Tablet: Can you briefly tell us about Ogden's Laws?

DT: [Ogden's Laws] are 40 of my personal axioms pointing out something usually known that is presented in different or unusual ways. I consider them triggers for thinking.

Tablet: Can technology be harmful to human beings?

DT: Yes. An axe is technology. If used to cut firewood and keep one warm that is usually beneficial. If used to chop someone up that might be considered harmful to humans. The same applies to all technology. An airplane is usually considered beneficial if it carries you from A to B. If it crashes (and you live) you may have a different viewpoint.

Tablet: What everyday items do you see becoming obsolete?

DT: All. Twenty years ago I said that 90 percent of the technologies one utilized that day would be obsolete in 20 years. Today, things move faster.

Tablet: Human beings haven't always been so enamored with technology and advancement. Do you think that we are becoming more trusting of technology?

DT: No. It's more seductive. Example: Thirteen years ago I was going blind. My right eye was 20/300. Left eye 20/200. That's white cane country anyway you look at it. I found an opthamologist that was doing some exploratory work in that field and talked my way into being his guinea pig. He did my right eye first and a year later my still deteriorating left eye (years interval minimized potential infection to the optic nerve).
What he "did" was to remove my natural lens which is in a tiny purse-like object next to the retina and then surgically-insert an intra ocular lens (looks like a pin-head of plastic). The day after the first eye was done my vision was 20/30. Over a couple of years both eyes improved from 20/30 to 20/15.

In fact, in 1992, I got back my airplane, helicopter, glider and balloon licenses. You can say I am biased over technology. I am now trying to talk them into doing a retrofit on my left eye. There is ample room in the "purse" to hold two pin-heads. Each lens has two "spider-like legs" that initially hold the lens in place. I want them to tie the "leg" from the second "lens" to the muscle in the corner of my left eye. Then when I wink the second lens will rotate providing a "zoom shot." Wouldn't that be great for the beach?

Tablet: Are you pessimistic or optimistic about the future?

DT: I am very positive about the future. I believe continually facing new challenges is what prods evolution. With lots of prodding [there is] no telling where we'll go. I am currently involved in the Human Consciousness Project. Just as an electroencephlagram can be put on your head enabling the doctor to "read" your brain, Roger Nelson of Princeton University came up with the idea to do something similar and read the planet's brain with an EGG or ElectronicGaiaGram.

Tablet: What do you think is the future of race relations?

DT: The world today is a vortex, a sort of MixMaster. When it stops spinning the world will be light-chocolate.

Tablet: Is age a factor in how people access technology?

DT: Not in accessing the technology; but in their attitude to it. Obviously if you grow up with snakes (like me, I used to sleep with them) you grew up understanding them and feel comfortable with them. Ditto airplanes. After six wartime years living with airplanes, you think everybody's done that. I think computers (and Apple iBooks at that) should be mandatory in all homes for seniors.

Tablet: What is your favorite technological advancement and why?

DT: Well personally, my cyborg eyes. Outside of that: the Internet. Nothing, nothing has affected so many, so quickly, in such depth over a wide area at such relative minimal cost. It is more important today to be computer-literate than it was to be able to read and write in the industrial age.

Tablet: What do you think of genetically-altered foods and should we be afraid of them?

DT: I think they are great. Most people have been using spices in the last four years. They've all been radiated since then with no troubles except lasting longer. I'll eat any radiated meal you will pay for. Radiation will prolong fruit, retarding microbial action for extended periods. Gives longer shelf life so mangos can come from Sri Lanka or Haiti.

Tablet: Do you think that, with the advancement of monitoring devices, we are losing our privacy?

DT: You haven't had any for years. Did you miss the Rodney King clips? There is no privacy. Period. There is no security. Period. Learn to live with it. Sleep with it. If you become "anchored" to anything, that restricts movement.

Tablet: In the future, do you think people will live longer or forever? If so, will this be a good or a bad thing?

DT: I just had my 82nd birthday. I still lecture (7 countries and 17 cities this year) and fly all the time. Anybody can do it once they accept [that] they can do more than they ever imagined. There are no restrictions today. None. I can see living to 120 (after all there are now 72 body parts you can get off the shelf). More cyborgian parts are coming out every day: hip replacements, knee replacements, heart valves. Once the demand appears, the solution will soon follow. Something like the Viagra story.

For more on Dr. Tomorrow and his writing, go to drtomorrow.com.

Re: We Are Becoming Cyborgs
posted on 02/24/2008 3:47 PM by francofiori2004

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But how will be possible to build a robot/computer only 1 micron size??
And if it will be possible, will it be enough powerful to be really useful inside a human body?

Can Cyborgs beat the laws of evolution?
posted on 03/18/2002 5:30 PM by erik@axiomresources.com

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Can Cyborgs beat the laws of evolution?

I will attempt to draw a relationship between the possible evolution of cyborgs and the bigger picture rules of nature and evolution

Cancer is the uncontrolled growth of cells without a master control. This uncontrolled growth is the opposite of life, which has evolved great order to enable it to function. When a systems justs starts to go without control it often signals the end of life for that organism.

There are 2 areas that I see with similar dynamics today: 1) The earth in general, with various governments, corporations, idealogies & of course technologies moving very fast. 2) Our "cyborg" relationship with technology & computers.

It is important to look at nature, because although we are playing god and recreating ourselves, the basic BIG rules of the game may not have changed. There may need to be some form of control, or global nervous and immune system in place to control the whole gaia organism, or pockets of rapid growth (technoterrorists).

Our current system of control, a semi-transparent democracy using free market economies & freedom of trade should be looked at to see if they comply with natural evolved systems or are they completely un-natural. There also needs to be 100% compliance, imagine if your foot deceided it did not want to be controlled by you. Right now, if earth were a organism, it would be moving in many different directions at once, and defacating in its own bed.

As I think the Nano people are finding, there are a lot of good nano ideas in nature to emulate with MEMS (ATP motors, ion pumps etc.), there are probably good ideas to emulate from natural systems as well.

So yes, i agree that we must start engineering or choosing how our interaction should be with the machines now. Let biological evolutionists take a crack at it rather than business people, politicians & engineers.


Erik Sayle

Re: We Are Becoming Cyborgs
posted on 03/19/2002 11:05 AM by jackjohnsonken@hotmail.com

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What if nanotechnology and artificial intelligence would reach certain stages of development even much earlier then predicted by Ray Kurzweil? What would be the explanation for that?

Re: We Are Becoming Cyborgs
posted on 03/19/2002 10:49 PM by jJarbles@subject.com

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Let us back track a bit...

To answer the immediate question:
"What if nanotechnology and artificial intelligence would reach certain stages of development even much earlier then predicted by Ray Kurzweil? What would be the explanation for that?"

Kurzweil is a respected mind, for his exploits and his knowledgeable predictions. He uses the current events to make his educated guesses. Keep in mind however that these are just guesses. Time and time again predictions have been disproved. There is no way to project with accuracy what will happen in the next 10 minutes let alone the next 50 years.

I have confidence that with the advances in technology we will see the science needed, for nanotechnology to be possible, much sooner then expected.

What do we have to fear if this technology becomes available? Look at the awesome power of the nuclear reaction. Used in a peaceful way we have a viable efficient source of energy. Used in a destructive way we have a weapon of mass destruction. Never the less the decision to advance science was made. Many of today's technologies would not exist if the hurdle was not overcome.

I question the correlation between cancer and society. This analogy would have worked 1000 years ago when the general populous was uneducated*. Now we take a much more active role in our government. We understand the problems that once had to be explained to us by our politicians. Humans are no longer like uncontrollable cancerous cells.

Humans for the most part have a fundamental understanding of technology. However there are times when this is not true (I.E. Stem Cell Research). When people become entangled in moral dilemmas.

Nanotechnology however transcends ethical and moral issues. This should not be considered something that needs to be monitored or controlled strictly by the Government.

Please consider any or all of these thoughts.

Thank You,
J. Jarbles



*The reason that our forefathers designed the government, because people were uneducated and didn't know what to do to keep the nation going.

What implications does this have for education?
posted on 05/07/2002 6:16 AM by ali_the_muso@hotmail.com

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Computers have existed for over a decade in the classroom and their use, particularly the internet and word processors, has become very important in education. Where we once learnt by hand we now learn (or should I say are spoon fed) by computer.
The idea that we are becoming a hybrid of technology and biology and computers are slowly becoming human obviously has implications for the classroom. Do these ideas mean that we will no longer be interfacing with a machine but with a human-like mind?
Just a little food for thought.

Alison Warrillow-Williams

Your individuality is breaking my Spirit.
posted on 08/07/2002 11:35 AM by poped@Jaynet.wcmo.edu

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Someone mentioned earlier that when machines combine with humans there would be a loss of individuality.

'A popular pastime will be to plug in to someone else's sensory-emotional beam and experience that it's like to be someone else'

One has to wonder, is this necessarily a bad thing? The ability to "walk a mile in another's shoes" would enable us to finally feel true empathy for our fellow human beings. Pride, crime, poverty, war and endless other negative words would be a thing of the past. Ultimately, human beings would know the true meaning of the word morality instead of pretending to give a damn.

I am all for it! Individuality is a curse, not a blessing. If we can break down the walls of individualism and share thoughts, feelings etc., our technology, standard of living and other things will improve exponentially. I, personally, crave knowledge and would like to see this technology in effect before I die.

Here's to the greater mind.

P.S. There is a movie called 'Waking Life.' WATCH IT!

Re: Your individuality is breaking my Spirit.
posted on 08/07/2002 2:55 PM by azb@llnl.gov

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poped,

Nice, but we are mixing a few metaphors here.

Perhaps our sense of being individuals is merely that, a "sensation". If we break down the walls, however, we will not learn what it is like to "be in the other person's shoes", because there would be no _other_ persons.

If you could "plug in to someone else's sensory-emotional beam", so to completely "feel" what it feels like to "be them", you would ... BE THEM. You could NOT be retaining some part of you that "knows you are you, experiencing them", because that is not what they are experiencing.

And when you "became them", and they just happened to be a hermit-type that hates "plugging in to someone else", you would never again plug into someone else, right?

Toy with the idea of a super-AI "sys-op", and instruct it: "Let me experience this other person for 1 minute, then snap me back to "me" again."

So, you are this other person for a minute. After you "snap back", what will you remember? Either you will remember nothing (in which case, there is really no point) or you will (via the sys-op) be installed with some kind of amalgamated "you plus them" memory, that you can access while still knowing "you are really you". But that is NOT the true memory/person you experienced, it is instead some hybridized thing that may bear no particular insight into that "other person" or yourself.

(I'll watch for "Waking Life". Thanks!)

Cheers! ____tony b____

"Being" Another Person
posted on 08/07/2002 11:59 PM by jjaeger@mecfilms.com

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Excellent points Tony.

To BE someone else seems to be different than to EXPERIENCE someone else's being.

If that giant sys-op plugged you in, you would somehow have to be able to multi-task between your beingness (as the analyzing being) and the person whose life you were experiencing.

I think it could be done, but it would be sort of like using a utility to compare similar MS WORD files, or something. Thus the only way you could really "experience" what another was experiencing would be to run a sort of analytical comparison between yourself and the other person. So to experience another person, you might perhaps have to become (or transfer into) yet a third person, an EXPERIENCER PERSON if you will, who could then sample and contrast between two given people, one your former self and the other the person you desired to experience.

Gets complicated when you think about it.

James Jaeger

Re: "Being" Another Person
posted on 11/23/2002 4:12 AM by Thomas Kristan

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> To BE someone else seems to be different than to EXPERIENCE someone else's being.

No, IMO it is the _same_ thing.

- Thomas

Re: Your individuality is breaking my Spirit.
posted on 11/28/2002 12:49 AM by Thom

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How can you say that individuality is a curse when you argue for the barriers of individualism to be transcended by sharing the fruits of each persons individual experiences? Everyone cannot walk a mile in another's shoes if they are all the same pair. The fear one should have most of biomechanization is to lose the individual, the self and become the collective hive.

Being Roger Penrose
posted on 11/05/2002 9:03 PM by Clifford

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If Roger Penrose could enter Marvin Minsky's mind and Minsky could enter Penrose's mind to see what the other believes about consciousness; would one of them say, "You were right and I was wrong" or would the loser be driven insane?

Re: Being Roger Penrose
posted on 11/22/2002 8:11 PM by grigge

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there was a movie made 1995 with the title "strange days" set in the year 1999 during the last days of the old millenium. There is supposed to be a system that can record a segment of someone's life. For instance, if u want to experience the adrenaline rush of doing a robbery but fear getting caught u could by a disc of someone elses experience. This would push you inte the consciousness of that person feeling the adrenaline, the emotions, hearing the sounds etc etc.

There is one instance where a murderer connects his "experience" to the victim while he is taking her life - so she is him in some fuzzy way. Morbid yes, but interesting nonetheless.

Strange days...

Re: Being Roger Penrose
posted on 02/27/2008 9:34 PM by Jake Witmer

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Great movie. Directed by Kathryn Bigelow, the only chick director I've even known about who could direct hardcore action movies, horror, and sci-fi. Although the headgear for a complete sensory experience looks a little outmoded, it's still a great movie, because it asks big questions.

Re: We Are Becoming Cyborgs
posted on 11/27/2002 2:45 PM by Sean

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This type of technology of merging the mind with machine is very exciting, but also a little scary. It raises alot of ethical questions. People with the correct knowlege or government agencies could most likely intercept messages that were being sent and also possibly control the way we think. Just food for thought.

Re: We Are Becoming Cyborgs
posted on 09/12/2006 3:42 PM by mindx back-on-track

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