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    The Coming Merging of Mind and Machine
by   Ray Kurzweil

Ray Kurzweil predicts a future with direct brain-to-computer access and conscious machines. From Scientific American.


Originally published September 1, 1999 in Scientific American. Published on KurzweilAI.net February 22, 2001.

Sometime early in the next century, the intelligence of machines will exceed that of humans. Within several decades, machines will exhibit the full range of human intellect, emotions and skills, ranging from musical and other creative aptitudes to physical movement. They will claim to have feelings and, unlike today's virtual personalities, will be very convincing when they tell us so. By 2019 a $1,000 computer will at least match the processing power of the human brain. By 2029 the software for intelligence will have been largely mastered, and the average personal computer will be equivalent to 1,000 brains.

Within three decades, the author maintains, neural implants will be available that interface directly to our brain cells. The implants would enhance sensory experiences and improve our memory and thinking.

Once computers achieve a level of intelligence comparable to that of humans, they will necessarily soar past it. For example, if I learn French, I can't readily download that learning to you. The reason is that for us, learning involves successions of stunningly complex patterns of interconnections among brain cells (neurons) and among the concentrations of biochemicals, known as neurotransmitters, that enable impulses to travel from neuron to neuron. We have no way of quickly downloading these patterns. But quick downloading will allow our nonbiological creations to share immediately what they learn with billions of other machines. Ultimately, nonbiological entities will master not only the sum total of their own knowledge but all of ours as well.

As this happens, there will no longer be a clear distinction between human and machine. We are already putting computers--neural implants--directly into people's brains to counteract Parkinson's disease and tremors from multiple sclerosis. We have cochlear implants that restore hearing. A retinal implant is being developed in the U.S. that is intended to provide at least some visual perception for some blind individuals, basically by replacing certain visual-processing circuits of the brain. Recently scientists from Emory University implanted a chip in the brain of a paralyzed stroke victim that allows him to use his brainpower to move a cursor across a computer screen.

In the 2020s neural implants will improve our sensory experiences, memory and thinking. By 2030, instead of just phoning a friend, you will be able to meet in, say, a virtual Mozambican game preserve that will seem compellingly real. You will be able to have any type of experience--business, social, sexual--with anyone, real or simulated, regardless of physical proximity.

How Life and Technology Evolve

To gain insight into the kinds of forecasts I have just made, it is important to recognize that technology is advancing exponentially. An exponential process starts slowly, but eventually its pace increases extremely rapidly. (A fuller documentation of my argument is contained in my new book, The Age of Spiritual Machines.)

The evolution of biological life and the evolution of technology have both followed the same pattern: they take a long time to get going, but advances build on one another and progress erupts at an increasingly furious pace. We are entering that explosive part of the technological evolution curve right now.

Consider: It took billions of years for Earth to form. It took two billion more for life to begin and almost as long for molecules to organize into the first multicellular plants and animals about 700 million years ago. The pace of evolution quickened as mammals inherited Earth some 65 million years ago. With the emergence of primates, evolutionary progress was measured in mere millions of years, leading to Homo sapiens perhaps 500,000 years ago.

The evolution of technology has been a continuation of the evolutionary process that gave rise to us-the technology-creating species-in the first place. It took tens of thousands of years for our ancestors to figure out that sharpening both sides of a stone created useful tools. Then, earlier in this millennium, the time required for a major paradigm shift in technology had shrunk to hundreds of years.

The pace continued to accelerate during the 19th century, during which technological progress was equal to that of the 10 centuries that came before it. Advancement in the first two decades of the 20th century matched that of the entire 19th century. Today significant technological transformations take just a few years; for example, the World Wide Web, already a ubiquitous form of communication and commerce, did not exist just nine years ago.

Computing technology is experiencing the same exponential growth. Over the past several decades, a key factor in this expansion has been described by Moore's Law. Gordon Moore, a co-founder of Intel, noted in the mid-1960s that technologists had been doubling the density of transistors on integrated circuits every 12 months. This meant computers were periodically doubling both in capacity and in speed per unit cost. In the mid-1970s Moore revised his observation of the doubling time to a more accurate estimate of about 24 months, and that trend has persisted through the 1990s.

After decades of devoted service, Moore's Law will have run its course around 2019. By that time, transistor features will be just a few atoms in width. But new computer architectures will continue the exponential growth of computing. For example, computing cubes are already being designed that will provide thousands of layers of circuits, not just one as in today's computer chips. Other technologies that promise orders-of-magnitude increases in computing density include nanotube circuits built from carbon atoms, optical computing, crystalline computing and molecular computing.

We can readily see the march of computing by plotting the speed (in instructions per second) per $1,000 (in constant dollars) of 49 famous calculating machines spanning the 20th century [see graph below]. The graph is a study in exponential growth: computer speed per unit cost doubled every three years between 1910 and 1950 and every two years between 1950 and 1966 and is now doubling every year. It took 90 years to achieve the first $1,000 computer capable of executing one million instructions per second (MIPS). Now we add an additional MIPS to a $1,000 computer every day.

Why Returns Accelerate

Why do we see exponential progress occurring in biological life, technology and computing? It is the result of a fundamental attribute of any evolutionary process, a phenomenon I call the Law of Accelerating Returns. As order exponentially increases (which reflects the essence of evolution), the time between salient events grows shorter. Advancement speeds up. The returns--the valuable products of the process--accelerate at a nonlinear rate. The escalating growth in the price performance of computing is one important example of such accelerating returns.

A frequent criticism of predictions is that they rely on an unjustified extrapolation of current trends, without considering the forces that may alter those trends. But an evolutionary process accelerates because it builds on past achievements, including improvements in its own means for further evolution. The resources it needs to continue exponential growth are its own increasing order and the chaos in the environment in which the evolutionary process takes place, which provides the options for further diversity. These two resources are essentially without limit.

The Law of Accelerating Returns shows that by 2019 a $1,000 personal computer will have the processing power of the human brain--20 million billion calculations per second. Neuroscientists came up with this figure by taking an estimation of the number of neurons in the brain, 100 billion, and multiplying it by 1,000 connections per neuron and 200 calculations per second per connection. By 2055, $1,000 worth of computing will equal the processing power of all human brains on Earth (of course, I may be off by a year or two).

The accelerating rate of progress in computing is demonstrated by this graph, which shows the amount of computing speed that $1,000 (in constant dollars) would buy, plotted as a function of time. Computer power per unit cost is now doubling every year.

Programming Intelligence

That's the prediction for processing power, which is a necessary but not sufficient condition for achieving human-level intelligence in machines. Of greater importance is the software of intelligence.

One approach to creating this software is to painstakingly program the rules of complex processes. We are getting good at this task in certain cases; the CYC (as in "encyclopedia") system designed by Douglas B. Lenat of Cycorp has more than one million rules that describe the intricacies of human common sense, and it is being applied to Internet search engines so that they return smarter answers to our queries.

Another approach is "complexity theory" (also known as chaos theory) computing, in which self-organizing algorithms gradually learn patterns of information in a manner analogous to human learning. One such method, neural nets, is based on simplified mathematical models of mammalian neurons. Another method, called genetic (or evolutionary) algorithms, is based on allowing intelligent solutions to develop gradually in a simulated process of evolution.

Ultimately, however, we will learn to program intelligence by copying the best intelligent entity we can get our hands on: the human brain itself. We will reverse-engineer the human brain, and fortunately for us it's not even copyrighted!

The most immediate way to reach this goal is by destructive scanning: take a brain frozen just before it was about to expire and examine one very thin slice at a time to reveal every neuron, interneuronal connection and concentration of neurotransmitters across each gap between neurons (these gaps are called synapses). One condemned killer has already allowed his brain and body to be scanned, and all 15 billion bytes of him can be accessed on the National Library of Medicine's Web site. The resolution of these scans is not nearly high enough for our purposes, but the data at least enable us to start thinking about these issues.

We also have noninvasive scanning techniques, including high-resolution magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) and others. Their increasing resolution and speed will eventually enable us to resolve the connections between neurons. The rapid improvement is again a result of the Law of Accelerating Returns, because massive computation is the main element in higher-resolution imaging.

Another approach would be to send microscopic robots (or "nanobots") into the bloodstream and program them to explore every capillary, monitoring the brain's connections and neurotransmitter concentrations.

Fantastic Voyage

Although sophisticated robots that small are still several decades away at least, their utility for probing the innermost recesses of our bodies would be far-reaching. They would communicate wirelessly with one another and report their findings to other computers. The result would be a noninvasive scan of the brain taken from within.

Most of the technologies required for this scenario already exist, though not in the microscopic size required. Miniaturizing them to the tiny sizes needed, however, would reflect the essence of the Law of Accelerating Returns. For example, the translators on an integrated circuit have been shrinking by a factor of approximately 5.6 in each linear dimension every 10 years.

The capabilities of these embedded nanobots would not be limited to passive roles such as monitoring. Eventually they could be built to communicate directly with the neuronal circuits in our brains, enhancing or extending our mental capabilities. We already have electronic devices that can communicate with neurons by detecting their activity and either triggering nearby neurons to fire or suppressing them from firing. The embedded nanobots will be capable of reprogramming neural connections to provide virtual-reality experiences and to enhance our pattern recognition and other cognitive faculties.

To decode and understand the brain's information-processing methods (which, incidentally, combine both digital and analog methods), it is not necessary to see every connection, because there is a great deal of redundancy within each region. We are already applying insights from early stages of this reverse-engineering process. For example, in speech recognition, we have already decoded and copied the brain's early stages of sound processing.

Perhaps more interesting than this scanning-the-brain-to-understand-it approach would be scanning the brain for the purpose of downloading it. We would map the locations, interconnections, and contents of all the neurons, synapses and neurotransmitter concentrations. The entire organization, including the brain's memory, would then be re-created on a digital-analog computer.

To do this, we would need to understand local brain processes, and progress is already under way. Theodore W. Berger and his co-workers at the University of Southern California have built integrated circuits that precisely match the processing characteristics of substantial clusters of neurons. Carver A. Mead and his colleagues at the California Institute of Technology have built a variety of integrated circuits that emulate the digital-analog characteristics of mammalian neural circuits.

Developing complete maps of the human brain is not as daunting as it may sound. The Human Genome Project seemed impractical when it was first proposed. At the rate at which it was possible to scan genetic codes 12 years ago, it would have taken thousands of years to complete the genome. But in accordance with the Law of Accelerating Returns, the ability to sequence DNA has been accelerating. The latest estimates are that the entire human genome will be completed in just a few years.

By the third decade of the 21st century, we will be in a position to create complete, detailed maps of the computationally relevant features of the human brain and to re-create these designs in advanced neural computers. We will provide a variety of bodies for our machines, too, from virtual bodies in virtual reality to bodies comprising swarms of nanobots. In fact, humanoid robots that ambulate and have lifelike facial expressions are already being developed at several laboratories in Tokyo.

Will It Be Conscious?

Such possibilities prompt a host of intriguing issues and questions. Suppose we scan someone's brain and reinstate the resulting "mind file" into a suitable computing medium. Will the entity that emerges from such an operation be conscious? This being would appear to others to have very much the same personality, history and memory. For some, that is enough to define consciousness. For others, such as physicist and author James Trefil, no logical reconstruction can attain human consciousness, although Trefil concedes that computers may become conscious in some new way.

At what point do we consider an entity to be conscious, to be self-aware, to have free will? How do we distinguish a process that is conscious from one that just acts as if it is conscious? If the entity is very convincing when it says, "I'm lonely, please keep me company," does that settle the issue?

If you ask the "person" in the machine, it will strenuously claim to be the original person. If we scan, let's say, me and reinstate that information into a neural computer, the person who emerges will think he is (and has been) me (or at least he will act that way). He will say, "I grew up in Queens, New York, went to college at M.I.T., stayed in the Boston area, walked into a scanner there and woke up in the machine here. Hey, this technology really works." But wait, is this really me? For one thing, old Ray (that's me) still exists in my carbon-cell-based brain.

Will the new entity be capable of spiritual experiences? Because its brain processes are effectively identical, its behavior will be comparable to that of the person it is based on. So it will certainly claim to have the full range of emotional and spiritual experiences that a person claims to have.

No objective test can absolutely determine consciousness. We cannot objectively measure subjective experience (this has to do with the very nature of the concepts "objective" and "subjective"). We can measure only correlates of it, such as behavior. The new entities will appear to be conscious, and whether or not they actually are will not affect their behavior. Just as we debate today the consciousness of nonhuman entities such as animals, we will surely debate the potential consciousness of nonbiological intelligent entities. From a practical perspective, we will accept their claims. They'll get mad if we don't.

Before the next century is over, the Law of Accelerating Returns tells us, Earth's technology-creating species-us-will merge with our own technology. And when that happens, we might ask: What is the difference between a human brain enhanced a millionfold by neural implants and a nonbiological intelligence based on the reverse-engineering of the human brain that is subsequently enhanced and expanded?

The engine of evolution used its innovation from one period (humans) to create the next (intelligent machines). The subsequent milestone will be for the machines to create their own next generation without human intervention.

An evolutionary process accelerates because it builds on its own means for further evolution. Humans have beaten evolution. We are creating intelligent entities in considerably less time than it took the evolutionary process that created us. Human intelligence--a product of evolution--has transcended it. So, too, the intelligence that we are now creating in computers will soon exceed the intelligence of its creators.

The Coming Merger of Mind and Machine reproduced with permission. Copyright (C) Scientific American, Inc. All rights reserved.

Original article at Sciam.com
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"Why the Future Doesn't Need Us"
posted on 06/06/2002 7:59 PM by hewipost@gte.net

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On the possibility that we will someday be able to transfer the logic and memories of a human brain to an electronic device and thus create a copy of the original intelligence:

It occurs to me that much of the emotion, and thus the resultant decisions, of a human brain are tremendously influenced by the rest of the host body (hormones, pain, etc.) In addition, the function of a human brain is greatly influenced by biological defects in that brain tissue.

Will not an intelligence manisfested in electronic circuitry be greatly diminished in emotional capacity without these influences?

Re: "Why the Future Doesn't Need Us"
posted on 06/07/2002 9:48 AM by grantc4@hotmail.com

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Yes. Emotions are an important part of our decision making process even though they sometimes leads us to take irrational actions.

Re: "Why the Future Doesn't Need Us"
posted on 01/07/2003 5:41 AM by john.b.davey@btinternet.com

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If decision making is a 'process' then how is emotion formally represented within such a scheme and where would such representation originate?

Re: "Why the Future Doesn't Need Us"
posted on 07/23/2002 3:24 AM by azb0@earthlink.net

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The question of "diminishment due to lack of bodily-driven (and evolutionarily-useful) emotions" is one that has several answers.

If we expect a future (substrate+intelligence) to upload and support our continuing senses of personal consciousness, we had better ensure that it is capable, at least initially, in being able to supply us with both the input-stimulus and output sense-of-control that we currently experience of "body", to include the "mental" effects of hormonal, adrenal, and other "expected feelings". Otherwise, we might be "aware but unfeeling", or at least, very psychically disoriented. If this "Sysop" were to cede us additional control over these parameters, we might be able to enhance them, diminish them, or supplant them with new ones, as we saw fit.

On the subject of the Super-AI itself (that would be maintaining this Virtual Environment on our behalf,) we would not WANT it to be slave to such emotional disturbances, and there is no a-priori reason that it would, not having "evolved" its sense of "mind" in a melieu of kill-or-be-killed, blood-is-thicker-than-water entities.

However (third answer), as far as the new-substrate supporting additional "artificial" consciousnesses, they must be viewed as sentient beings in their own right, but what they might feel or not feel is hard to imagine. Whether (given a "large-enough intelligence-space" they might appear spontaneously is another good question. All the more reason to (try) to design a Super-AI without "bad" (misguided) feelings, to act in the role of "benevolence". The goal, a sort of Friendly Sysop.

Cheers! ____tony b____

Re: The Coming Merging of Mind and Machine
posted on 06/08/2002 1:11 PM by dennis@amzi.com

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I'm reminded of a cartoon from the early days of computers:

A lab-coated scientist is standing in front of a giant computer, and has just posed the question: "What is the purpose of human life?"

And the computer has responded:

"To build computers."

Dennis

Re: The Coming Merging of Mind and Machine
posted on 07/23/2002 2:58 AM by cro_00@hotmail.com

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I basically see the world recreating itself when i play video games and i look at todays technology. Technology is moving at superfast speeds and it is getting smaller and smaller. I the creation of a new specie. A virtual specie. We will play these characters. We want a better world. We will get it in virtual reality until we transform ourselves into their world. We will recreat another world. A world where we are who we want to be and do what we want. Imagine a virtual world so realistic that we don't know if it is real of fake. It will be our heaven. Eventually we will like it so much that we will upload our brains into that world and live forever. :) I hope this doesn't sound like i am crazy. I just think alot.

Re: The Coming Merging of Mind and Machine
posted on 01/02/2003 12:43 PM by Andrew Ecker

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"But wait, is this really me? For one thing, old Ray (that's me) still exists in my carbon-cell-based brain." - Ray Kurzweil, from article above.

Ray, I would like to address your thoughts above on downloading a mind to a computer.

The problem like you stated is that the original person still exists. If one claims that the new person is the same as the old person then one violates Aristotle's law of the exluded middle: A thing cannot be itself and not itself at the same time.


How about this as a solution:

Why not use quantum teleportation to entangle particles somehow with our brain so that they extract our mind's information out (e.g. neural interconnections and whatever else we need).
But instead of teleporting the information (quantum states representing the information) into real neurons, we could teleport them into artificial neurons and achieve immortality.

Since the contents of the original mind would be
instanteously destroyed (quantum teleportation would do this) as the new mind is instantaneously created, We would not violate Aristotle's law of the excluded middle.

Does this sound nuts or possible?


Andrew,
andrew.ecker@sympatico.ca

Re: The Coming Merging of Mind and Machine
posted on 01/07/2003 10:36 AM by Grant

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The mind is a dynamic system constantly adapting to its environment. Even if you can upload it to a machine, the environment of the machine will be different from the environment of the man. Therefore, the mind that is uploaded will not be the same as that of the man from the time it is uploaded. The development of each will be based on adjusting to it's own particular environment. What the metal mind thinks will, from that point on, necessarily be separate and different from what the meat mind thinks. They will be developing in and coping with different worlds.

Grant

Re: The Coming Merging of Mind and Machine
posted on 01/07/2003 11:00 PM by Andrew Ecker

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I am not so sure. It would still be me. Yes I would have a cyborg nature but I would still have my human roots to hang onto. Maybe somehow I could create a virtual representation of my old body if this was uncomfortable.

Andrew

Re: The Coming Merging of Mind and Machine
posted on 01/07/2003 1:23 PM by subtillioN

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Andrew,

>"Does this sound nuts or possible? "

There are other, more straight-forward methods of teleportation which are more feasable then so-called "quantum teleportation". Such as a mere transfer of the data representing the positions and types of all of your atomic and molecular structuring to a nano assembler device which can build an exact replica of your functioning body atom by atom at the new location. Though I guess the problem you are trying to overcome is the light speed limitation. Good luck on that one.

One possible method of achieving "FTL" travel is to send your body-construction-data via ether flow highways in which (as fizeau demonstrated with water) the speed of light would be additive to the speed of the flowing, light-transmitting material. How to construct (or discover) these highways is another (highly untrainable) animal altogether.


subtillioN
www.anpheon.org

Re: The Coming Merging of Mind and Machine
posted on 01/07/2003 10:54 PM by Andrew Ecker

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Yes I was trying to get around the copying delay...

Thanks.

Re: The Coming Merging of Mind and Machine
posted on 01/08/2003 12:25 AM by subtillioN

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> Yes I was trying to get around the copying delay... <

Causality works in time and not outside it. In fact causality is part of the unity that is matter-in-motion (nothing else exists). If you ever could escape from causality what could ever CAUSE you to get back into it? Escaping causality is therefore the same thing as not existing, which is impossible for something that exists. If you are going to cause something to happen i.e. self-duplication, then you are going to have some sort of time delay as cause is translated into effect.

What is a few milliseconds (or even millenia) in eternity? How could you ever fit all the action involved in the self-transformation into an zero-size (therefore nonexistent) instant? What difference would instananeity make in this teleportation scheme? Would it mean because it was instantaneous that your self-trajectory was unbroken and therefore it was still you?

In the end it is YOU who decides whether or not your new self is "you" and I bet I can guess the answer! Pure semantics.

>Yes, I thought about the gradual approach too. I guess I dropped it in favour of a non-invasive scanning approach (quantum teleportation).<

There is no non-invasive scanning approach because there is no action-at-a-distance ;), but there certainly are non-destructive approaches other than the Q-Tele one e.g. nano-bot scanning.

>As far as the multiple me problem I still think that the copies would be copies and not me.<

Again, pure semantics. This is an arbitrary choice on how loose or tight to define your self concept.


>Unless you buy David Deutch's multiple universe interpretation of QM. <

Not that it fits into this discussion because of your discalimer, but NO I don't buy into that pyramid scheme, not in the least. Apart from the fact that 'Universe' means that there is only UNI, it is a ludicrous attempt to interpret the accounting errors at the core of modern physics.

subtillioN

Re: The Coming Merging of Mind and Machine
posted on 01/07/2003 1:37 PM by subtillioN

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>"Why not use quantum teleportation to entangle particles somehow with our brain so that they extract our mind's information out "

You do not need quantum teleportation to extract the functionality of the mind from the brain. You simply do a functional analysis, run a simulation, or build a prototype with the upgraded functional aggregates to run it through some tests or whatever and then build and check the full version. There it is your more matter-and-energy efficient duplicate. It is an arbitrary choice of when and IF you destroy the original...

If you simply want to transfer to a more stable and controllable substrate then I suggest that you upgrade your neural modules one at a time with the more efficient artificial modules, always keeping an eye on the continued exact functioning of your mind during the upgrade process. This way you are not left with the philosophical conundrum of whether or not to destroy the original who still is YOU!

No doubt, as grant pointed out, this upgrade will forever and DRASTICALLY alter your self-trajectory.

subtillioN

Re: The Coming Merging of Mind and Machine
posted on 01/07/2003 10:57 PM by Andrew Ecker

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Yes, I thought about the gradual approach too. I guess I dropped it in favour of a non-invasive scanning approach (quantum teleportation).

As far as the multiple me problem I still think that the copies would be copies and not me. According to aristotle's law of the exluded middle I cannot be myself and not myself at the same time. Unless you buy David Deutch's multiple universe interpretation of QM.

Andrew.

Re: The Coming Merging of Mind and Machine
posted on 01/07/2003 11:23 PM by Andrew Ecker

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er, sorry I guess I meant just copying without QM. Forget the part about mutilple universes that I said in the last post....

Re: The Coming Merging of Mind and Machine
posted on 02/06/2003 3:22 AM by Peter

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Pardon me but Aristotle has no place in this discussion, an arbitrary axiom "a thing cannot be itself and not itself at the same time" made by a person who would never in his liftime envision the depth of perception we here are discussing, has no meaning in light of duplication. Just because, in this case a philosopher, said something, does not make it so, it is pure semantics. Occum's razor is not fact or truth, it is one man's opinion of simplification, as is Murphy's Law, there is no scientific "FACT" that proves to us "if something can go wrong it will," it is a wholly theoretical and arbitrary game of semantics. Thus, with this in mind there is no reason why the duplicate mind cannot be YOU and YOU at the same time. We can now clone and a clone is an exact copy (i.e. You and You) of the person, this is just a far more intricate and profound 'cloning' process of the human mind rather thn just the physical body.

Re: The Coming Merging of Mind and Machine
posted on 02/06/2003 10:47 AM by Grant

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>Thus, with this in mind there is no reason why the duplicate mind cannot be YOU and YOU at the same time.

The mind is shaped by the input it receives and what it does with that input afterward. Thus if two minds are receiving different input, they will become different from that point on. They only way they could stay the same is if both could transfer all input and the ideas they craft from it back and forth to each other on an ongoing basis. It doesn't seem feasible that both minds could process the input from two bodies at the same time and still operate at an optimal level. I'm not saying it's impossible, but the mind we use today is occupied 24/7 with the current amount of input and processing it must do. Double that, and who knows what the result would be? Of course, minds can and no doubt will be enhanced in the future, and this may solve the problem. But dealing with the duplication of minds in a very complex problem and there are lots of issues we haven't even thought about yet.

Grant

Re: The Coming Merging of Mind and Machine
posted on 02/06/2003 8:53 PM by Andrew Ecker

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You are correct. There is a long road ahead to the dream of immortality via mind dump...

Re: The Coming Merging of Mind and Machine
posted on 02/06/2003 8:41 PM by Andrew Ecker

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Aristotle's laws of logic are not axioms. Axioms are the most fundamental facts underlying a system. Aristotle's laws are based on the underlying axioms Existence Exists and Consciousness is Conscious identified by Ayn Rand. These axioms can neither be disproved or proved since proof and disproof depend on them (circular argument) but the axioms must be true or else we couldn't have this email conversation along with any other human action.

aristotles laws of logic - relevance to mind dump / cloning
posted on 02/06/2003 8:50 PM by Andrew Ecker

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I should have used the phrase "can be derived from" instead of "based on" since Ayn Rand came after Aristotle. At any rate to go from the axioms of existence and conscious to the laws of logic is easy. Let me show you.

if existence exists then things exist.

Non-existence can't exist or else this leads to contradiction.

To exist is to exist as something specific -

If to exist is to exist as something totally non-specific then there would only be non-existence.

Therefore to exist is to exist as something specific or A is A or a thing is itself.

Since A is A then A can't be non-A. or a thing can't be not itself.

Therefore to exist as A and non-A at the same time is impossible or a thing can not exist as itself and not-itself at the same time.

Therefore I can't be myself and my copy at the same time. There must be some differences between us (due to copying delays???). Therefore it is impossible to create an exact copy of myself.

Re: The Coming Merging of Mind and Machine
posted on 02/06/2003 8:59 PM by Andrew Ecker

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... continued: If the copy exists at the same time as me but If we do the following steps it is possible (assuming these steps below are possible - they might not be)

1) collect 100 % accurate information about the original but don't construct the copy yet
2) destroy the original
3) create the exact copy

Re: The Coming Merging of Mind and Machine
posted on 11/14/2004 5:19 PM by jpmaus

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All this 'scientific' discourse is really amusing on a number of levels. Firstly, the fact that it basically ignores all the great thinkers of consciousness from Heidegger to Merleau-Ponty and, secondly, because it fails to address any of the critiques Lyotard, Foucault and others have made of its supposed legitimacy.

It is rather ridiculous that Kurzweil has been accused of having an 'impoverished view of spirituality' when his thinking is so shamelessly theistic and dialectical. The blatant resurrection of the One (one consciousness, one intelligence saturating all space and time, etc.) is so awfully theistic has no right to claim itself as anything other than some kind-of mystical fiction. Reading Kurzweil and the other thinkers of Strong AI, one is confronted with extremely Hegelian (another thinker not mentioned anywhere) notions of 'rising' towards Absolute Spirit; notions so backwards and silly it is small wonder the topic hasn't been taken more seriously by the philosophical community at large (Badiou, Zizek, etc.).

In the Kurzweilian narrative humanity is exponentially progressing towards a 'Singularity' (a point beyond which nothing can be reliably conceived). Isn't this in fact nothing more than a tautology parading as scientific discourse that serves to legitimate such theological ideas as the One? Scientific, mathematical and/or technological events, like all events, are unpredictable, they don't follow the simple-minded teleology put-forth by Kurzweil, so in a sense, this 'singularity' could take-place tomorrow.

All of these articles and all of this chatter can essentially be boiled down to the claim that humanity is 'progressing' towards One Super Intelligence ... Yet, none of it makes an even slight advance towards solving the fundamental problems confronting Strong A.I. (proof of consciousness whatsoever, a definition of the subject, a software or mathematics that would make self-reflexivity possible, etc.) Furthermore, these backwards theistic dialectical ideas of progress (to move forward or develop to a higher, 'better', more advanced stage) which have been completely destabilized by philosophical postmodernism are so preposterously assumptive they warrant no well-reasoned criticism (Better??!! Positing a faster, more complex intelligence, with more information at its disposal does nothing in the way of addressing the consciousness of consciousness as such ' Nor does it explain this whole mystical assumption of better-ness).

I am believer that the technologies being celebrated here have the potential to answer some of the most profound questions imaginable, and am certainly open to the idea that this is the last generation of humans that will be biologically identical to those from 10,000 years ago, but all this backwards religiosity parading as science does nothing to help this goal.

One MUST contend with not only the poltical dimension implicit in the developement of technology, but its narrative dimension and what that narrative legitimates and privelges and for what reason it does this... None of this is addressed here. On top of that, as said earlier, all of the REAL attempts at defining subjectivity philosophically (outside of Hofstader ... like Deleuze, for example) are completely ignored here.